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Obama To Middle America: The Economy Is Doing Great, And If You Don’t Think So, You’re Dumb

Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 11 months ago to Government
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I don't know but anyone who can vote for another 4 years of HillaryBeast's version of this crap needs to go get their government funded head examined for being a pure vacuum....Maybe IBD is slanted to the right, but this is pretty much the damage report on what clown Obamanation has left us with after 8 years of run amuck looting...


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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My preference is for a Constitutional Center, using the framework built in and around it. My interpretation of both parties/philosophy (left right) is along your lines, in that I I view all of them as a fascist form of politics, in that they all seek to control the people and own government, whether direct or by proxy. I do not even see a viable Constitutional party, since their platform (the ones who call themselves that party) is rife with dos and do nots and cannot, worse than the Catholic Church. Actually I admire the American Indian phlosophy which is very individualistic and also has a family/group component. But I do not see any real philosophy or politic that meets your definition of Right, in that all government is going to treat such as enemies of the state, and seek to exterminate or restrict them. I use the current terms simply because the masses divide along those lines as they are programmed. I just don't see the Constitution, as created, in anything we have left today.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nice summary Michael, and very true in regards to how I have seen the union world go. The big businesses that have not fallen into them take risks that will engender another round of creation with indiscriminate layoffs and reductions "to cut costs" to compete with foreign lands. It gets them all excited to even mention the "U word". Most management I have found is poor to miserable at really understanding the whole relations ship between process, equipment and people and the synergy needed to make it work, and be efficient. If we did we could still beat the outside countries.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your using socialist left wing definitions. They don't work. What you called right is the right wing of the left and found left of center assuming you use Constitution as a center or sacred ground. Forget all that liberal sec prog garbage.

    Find your own way. for example. My Center is the main activity area . some may go a bit toward the right meaning less government more citizens some to the left meaning more government but less citizen control. My personal rule is as long as they keep one foot even one toe firmly planted in the center they can't get too carried away. Some of our current Republicans do that in our got nowhere else to go attitude or they try. 15 in the Senate perhaps.

    In my version I have Repub, RINO, RINO Socialist, Socialist, Democrats, DINOS, Democrat Socialists Sec Progs, National Socialists or Nazi's and International Socialists or Communists. All have one item in common. Government Control of Citizens and all are fascist in nature meaning any means to maintain control of everything.

    Really not sure where the Libertarians are but they float somewhere around center.

    Center Constitutional Centrists not the current party - MY version.

    To the Right citizens control governments not much out there but plenty of room . Extreme is of course anarchism. meaning No government to control.

    But like all objectivist tests that's MY version. Pick any term you want except probably liberal and conservative because then you have to define which version to make it useful and figure out your own system - and why. the objections will come mostly from the collectivist lock step left. Disregard them and their antiquated system of definitions. Doesn't work. It's meant not to work but to confuse and control.

    Then does it work - for you? If Yes
    Is it useful? If Yes Rule two except for constant testing because you know the left is going to change definitions again by supper time.

    Then Rule Three Moral Evaluation.

    Same as as testing dirt or soap or MacDonalds vcersus Jack Inna Crack.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I just can't help thinking that to move the bar to center means that the right gets more power, and I have never been to impressed with either sides ability to protect my freedom and personal rights. Responsibility seems to be a missing virtue in both spheres, they are just power seekers using different bribes. I like the theoiry though it is a better way to illustrate various shades of difference, and the Constitution was probably fell of the chart 100 years ago.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The vertical idea is very old and is the original class systems were described so I cannot take credit.

    The dude with the best sword became the leader if his tactics worked. Then Chief, then King, then Emperor but changed the reason - so as to pass on the power to offspring - to something called 'divine right of so the classic vertical bar is God, King, Satraps or apparatchiks or bureaucrats, mark and X on this spot and below that varying levels of serfs etc. The X is a useful point to cross vertical with the left right horizontal bar.

    Next realize the 'divine right' or source of power is no longer royalty - or is it - but the citizens. Depends on where you live in the world.

    The horizontal bar puts the vertical where ever it fit's best and as high or low as it needs to be to describe any given social political order.

    Horizontal then becomes easily defined as Left is government over citizens and more to the right Citizens over government.

    Center is where they cross and more importantly why they cross at that point.

    Ours should be the Constitution and was up to a hundred years ago. Now it is the center of the left. Wants adjustment.

    The terms came from 'divine RIGHT of Kings' and the left was chosen first by the Socialist style movements of the French revolution at the first assembly meeting.

    The revolutionaries took the power of the King unto themselves but retained the left as their hangout (when they decided they needed an ruling class within their classless society per Plato no doubt.)

    Faced with the issue of what to do with the now empty left it was easy to create their own and marginalize that formerly occupied by divine right of kings and in the new USA by the citizens as a source of power.

    Keeping all that in mind you should be able to construct your own set of definitions and, as I have done, deny and repudiate those created by the left. Which in any case make no sense or you wouldn't have to ask why do Republicans always cave and why did most of them become the right wing OF the left. OK too much speech time but a review of where we have trod before should be helpful to the newcomers.

    Remembering to use the three laws of objectivism as that is what we are all about. And yes there is room for objectivity in ideas, dreams, wishful thinking and wild ass guesses.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Unions had their place in the beginning and were much needed. But they missed the boat in two major respects.

    One was being taken over by the socialist movement which from the 1930's on counted only labor leaders and not members as part of the overall socialist hierarchy and married those leaders to the statist and corporatist leadership.

    Even then the idea was in front of them but they missed it completely treating labor as something done with sweat and hand tools instead of making it all inclusive. The way I put it is The tools of production are not the machines but the the people working in any given industry or other work site. Espresso stand or whatever.

    All are one form or another of the skull sweat or hand callous labor that make things work in any company or for that matter any group venture. CEO to gate guard and even investors who provided the start up funds. All means of production. In a true union each has respect for the other parts of a successful business. That notion took a long time to develop from the more feudal ways that were dragged 'as is' into the industrial revolution.

    The idea came of course from AR AS when John Galt said I will turn off the motor of the world. Not just the mechanical motors but the mental motors and the willing hands that operate the machines. Galt had to go out and speak with key people and get them to start the ball rolling. Socialism though does it as an inherent uncurable fault. 'They pretend to pay us we pretend to work.'

    The proper union attitude should have been all inclusive but with any one in management or supervisory positions as members but not in a leaders position (shop stewards etc.) They would have their own. Each factory or other enterprise in their own association.

    Next point they missed or glossed over on purpose was treating employees as a business unto themselves each and severally. The gate guard or janitor or punch press operator or secretary are in the business of selling their particular skill providing a product or service. So...why if corporations have 'personhood' and those rights do individuals not have corporationhood and those rights quid pro quo.

    Employees Association with the same power and responsibilities of current unions arise and with input from all levels. Respect to other means of production becomes ingrained and they can expand in two directions. One is Employees and Residents of the local area. The espresso stand operator and the other support structures of any major business become part of...and along with that comes a larger pool for credit union? medical insurance? purchase of pharmeceuticals? any number of ideas...or they may reject the notions such as 'from each according to ability to each according to need.'

    Nonsense and destructive it did state a real need and unions have failed to address that now sinking to how to strangle hold a certain segment of industry with the least number of members but providing the most amount of cash donations and votes.

    Typically 10% or so and in key industries maybe 20-30%. Some others zero percent.

    The Alaska Pipeline project showed the worst features of union using an Oklahoma based Electrical workers I seem to recall union to install pipelines. Check me on that one..It is not exact. and it's four am.

    Add Davis Bacon privileges as a tax money laundering method for campaign contributions but in return only certain unions getting the fat cat pay checks erroneously called prevailing local a blatant lie to be blunt. One would also find the majority of any group skill set were not invited to join the union but kept out so that the membership matched the jobs provided by Davis Bacon.

    Enough on that but where there is no ownership there is no pride so an Employees association tends to provide among other things a method where the employees become the investors. Something any union retirement fund does anyway. But there is now 'skin' in the game and a responsibility to work towards business success.

    You won't find that in any form of socialism but you will find it where capitalism with a conscience is found.

    Government excepted because they produce nothing? Not so. If they get off the track of being 'in control as regulators.' and get on the track of ensuring a healthy and protected environment for the real businesses to flourish they are contributing to a need.

    Of course you would have to fire the lot of them and start over with a major attitude retraining and adjustment program - except for the military. The practitioners of the basic reason for government to exist -- Police, Fire, Military, standards setting where needed (width of roads and traffic lanes, meaning of Bachelor of Science etc. perhaps a few others -- for the most part already have that characteristic.

    Sink to the level of the unneeded and probably illegal at federal level Department of Education government has degenerated to the point of not needed cancel 99.9% of the whole thing. They have yet to do anything to cause pride of ownership or a feeling of contributing to production.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The vertical idea has merit, in that it eliminates a lot of waffleing. The Unions have just been another tool for a few people to gather power and money from the huge herd of cows that join them.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That was when the division of the legislative branch followed the division of the party system into the socialist model consisting of Statists, Corporatists and labor leaders. Should be termed Statist Leaders, Corporate Leaders, and Labor Leaders. Also known as Republicrats, Democans also known as the Government Party or more simply as "The Party or 'There can be only one Party'."

    Meaning there is only one political belief system within the framework of "A Republic."

    Of course we have two. Constutionalism/Capitalism and it's foe Socialism. or Marxist Leninism. Citizens vs. State/Single Party

    Another difference designed for obfuscation is designating the center of the left as the center. instead of, and more properly, the Constitution as the center. And not as a mugwump center but as an active, vibrant center with key abilities.

    One of them is to effect changed within itself using the intentionally slow deliberative amendment system. Just fast enough to provide an escape hatch just slow enough to escape being an abandon ship panic approach.

    Instead we have this false phony center which disallows any mention or discussion of a properly defined right to balance a properly defined left.

    The left is the center center of totalitarian government leaning despotism and IT has it's own left and right for sure. But they are not THE center. Simply put the left generally agrees and supports the concept of Government Over Citizens - and government as the source of all power.

    The true center of course follows the Constitution implicit but draws on it's true support fro the real source of all power namely, 'the citizens.; The concept here is one of sovereignty or true power Citizens Over Government. Sovereignity is the old meaning of sovereign as supreme independent authority. The right is the old stamping ground of the 'divine' right of Kings or sovereigns and is or should be the the home of the divine right of citizens as the sole source of power.

    What the union members SHOULD be doing is acting as the divine right of control over their union leaders instead of giving in as they will once again to a totalitarian system. Not seeking greener pastures elsewhere but living uip to their responsibilities and using the power of the rights granted to - in this case- employees or workers for a certain career field

    Translate it up or down its the same right and authorities. Citizens have the responsibility to protect their rights

    CITIZENS have the right and responsibility to be in control of any form of government be it union,political party or federal in nature. Be it Statist/Corporatist, Corporatist/Statist, or the third leg of the socialist triumverate labor organizations.

    It helps to think vertically instead of the leftist left right system.

    Citizens (the source of all power)
    Over
    All
    Temporary (Government Employees and)

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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think the Unions will rethink their loyalties, they quit being loyal to their members 30-40 years ago and sold their souls to the Democraps. Bad move.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My local friends were laughing about that Carrier move made two comments. Was Trump going to take the credit for Carrier like he did for Ford? (It was Kasich that engineered the deal and the deal only included cars made for sale in the USA.) Number two would the USA unions like to take lessons?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    JFK was a social liberal but a economic conservative. I still think it was LBJ. but he was a somewhat competent screw up not. Stil his death ratio puts him in a class by himself for worst of the bunch.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My experience says no. They cycle younger managers in, and the older ones seem to have a "lifeboat" concept: anyone else but me.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nothing constructive to people who understand freedom and economics, but he has succeeded with his scurrilous agenda to a fair degree, partly because of our congress, composed of wimps and Homer Simpsons.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The employment situation in Florida is better than most of the USA. Not real good, but passable. Also, if you're older and are willing to take about a 20% pay cut, but still work in a tech area, you might find it to be OK here. Also no state income tax and housing costs are moderate.
    Not great, but considering the state of the country, you won't get rich, but you won't starve.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    His goal is not to be constructive. He's a looter extraordinaire, as shown by his golfing and international trips. He's out to get while the getting is good and to h__ with everyone else.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I disagree. Obama isn't incompetent - he actively wants to be the elite in control of the United States. His moves have been "fundamentally transformative" and very calculated. He's out for power, and he's been actively playing the various groups against each other as a distraction so he can issue his edicts, also known as Executive Actions. And he's effectively used the media to cow the Republicans into not doing anything. The downside of using Executive Actions on everything is that they can be rescinded by the next President - if the next President decides to.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Interesting that Venezuela is beginning to be the playbook for the US decline. Maduro is claiming this when I bet the US companies would just rather they never went to Venezuela, and would love to not have to deal with Venezuela at all.
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