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Should parents be forced to vaccinate children before they can attend school?

Posted by richrobinson 8 years ago to The Gulch: General
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I saw an excellent presentation last night on the risks of vaccination and health problems including autism. Most States currently require vaccinations in order to attend public schools. The argument being if parents don't vaccinate their kids then other kids are at risk. The problem appears to be the number of vaccines being given at the same time and at a very young age. The speaker made it clear that she was not anti-vaccine but wanted all parents to be able to make informed decisions. I don't have kids so I was never faced with this decision. It would seem logical to allow parents to opt out of many of these vaccines if they wanted. It is possible to get exemptions but it seems the State is making it harder and harder to do that.


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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Amazing story. Thanks for sharing. Many, many doctors really have no clue what they're doing. They are incentivized to just prescribe meds, though. Many years ago when I suffered a very bad leg injury I had a doctor first tell me that my acl was fine, then prescribe me a massive bottle of horse pill vicodin. I took them like M&Ms and stopped cold-turkey eventually. That was an educational experience. Not one warning from the doctor, either. So, when I hear that people like Rush Limbaugh get hooked on opiates I just go, "Hell yeah. Sure!" Oh...and my acl was completely gone. I was disabled for 25 years from that, needing a brace. A brilliant surgeon fixed me a couple years ago and it's like a have a new lease on life! There are some great doctors. But, there are a lot of hacks. A lot...
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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Bill Gates claims that his foundations vaccine program if successful will result in a reduced population.
    Funny way of confirming effectiveness of inoculations .
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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Lucky, A young childs development, their is no greater concern to a parent. The instinct to save or protect your offspring overrides a typical risk reward decision.
    No one knows what causes autism and even a hint that vaccines could be damaging gives many parents pause and anxiety.

    I am disappointed in your " anti- everything conspiracy theorists" comment.
    Labeling is a very effective tool used by the collectivist to stifle discussions and form lemming type compliance. For example denier , bigot , racist , often used by the left to name call and degrade an opposing position instead of using reasoning and evaluating differing opinions.
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  • Posted by Flootus5 8 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Your input to this topic has been invaluable. The cocktail mix of vaccines would be analogous with the drug interactions. I can attest to the latter.

    35 years ago, I had a back injury that laid me up big time. Couldn't walk. The nerve pain was horrendous. The primary physician said we'll get to the bottom of this. In the meantime I'll prescribe you tylenol with codeine and an anti-inflammatory medicine. I asked him specifically if they will mix OK. Of course they will, this is a common combination.

    Wrong! Within a day, not only was the nerve pain untouched, but now the fluid retention was horrible. My head felt like a blimp and the nausea was awful. I quit taking them and all that went away.

    Long story short, after seven specialists later, including a rheumatoid arthritic guy, an orthopedic guy, foot orthotics, you name it. None of it helped. I called the primary guy a final time and asked what's next? "uhh, I think you should try a different modality". I asked him what that meant. "See a psychiatrist". I hung up. See a shrink, right.

    Months wasted. And then on a day I was stretching my arms way out in front, and then way back, and then out in front and there was this huge pop between my shoulder blades and I could walk. I went on a 4 mile walk that afternoon, just going "Holy shit, holy shit" A miracle.

    That started a long history of total distrust in mainstream medicine and a preference for homeopathic alternative solutions.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Known, expected pharmaceutical reactions kill about 110,000 in America each year. This is, literally, doctors giving medicines to patients knowing that some will die from the medication. I think, last time I looked, it was 108,000 - but that was about four years ago.

    With vaccines they don't even ask if there have ever been any bad reactions. Yet, we now know that if a mother has the MTHFR genetic disorder (can only be found with a test) and that mother's child gets the MMR - KABLOOEY! Severe autism. Why? We don't know yet. We just know it happens.

    But...these things I talk about...they're just science. And, America and Americans love religion. Just have faith. Believe what you're told. Watch tv. Don't read any books, or anything. You can trust the government... Even if you're the most hard-core right-winger. Trust the government on this one thing.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years ago in reply to this comment.
    and the parents have a right to not place their child in public schools. does The power of the school district reach beyond the edge of the playground?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years ago
    So this answer popped up in my brain pan.

    YES as long as parents are not required nor forced to sent heir children to public schools nor support them with tax dollars.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you.

    Nothing could have made me a stronger Objectivist. Soon after I presented data to the NIH at a hearing where there were hired goons to assault people (I'm not kidding - that's a hell of a story) I was laying on my living room floor reading Atlas Shrugged for the first time. I came across this, "In times like these, when their fat little comforts are threatened, you can be sure that science is the first thing men will sacrifice." I couldn't sleep that night.

    Children is the second thing they will sacrifice...
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Excellent point. There was a study that took infant monkeys and subjected some to the current CDC childhood vaccine schedule while also including a control group. This has never been done with humans, by the way. This study published two papers. Then, those two papers were scrubbed from all publications and the internet and the study vanished. I spoke with one of the doctors on the study team and read both papers (I think I still have the first one in my files).

    Want to guess what that study showed? Go ahead. I'll let you know if you guess right or not.
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  • Posted by 8 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I wondered if anyone bothered to ask why we are letting in so many refugees who probably have not been vaccinated. What do other developed countries do?
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years ago
    I think that if somebody truly believes that vaccines are both completely safe and completely effective then they should be able to take all the vaccines they want and shut their pie hole about other people's vaccines. Logically, this has always made sense to me. If it's safe...if it's effective, then what in the hell are you worried about? Yeah, "Oh...if other people get sick then we all have to pay..." Once again, socialism creeping into the discussion. This "for the betterment of others" is a mental disorder.

    Objectivism works. Science works. These two have never let me down. And, in this subject I have been to the belly of the beast. There are real problems here that you aren't being told. Want to see a documentary about the CDC fraud? Go see the new movie, Vaxxed. By the way, it's being censored in many cities so good luck finding it.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years ago in reply to this comment.
    There has been a substantial increase in the number of autism cases with the inclusion of the EARLY MMR and with the inclusion of boosters in the CDC childhood schedule.

    This point is kind of like saying, "There were deaths due to bullets before war." Yes, but war sure as heck doesn't help. The body reacts. Autism, it appears, is an illness that requires a trigger...an insult.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes. Childhood asthma. It has exploded at the same time as autism, while the air in America has gotten substantially cleaner.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Yet, with a 13,000% increase since the inclusion of boosters in the childhood schedule. I know. I ran the numbers from the CDC data.
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 8 years ago
    If not vaccinating puts other kids and or their parents at risk then the other parents have the right to not allow unvaccinated children in.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Agree. that is the "forced servitude" portion, not unlike forcing others to support a larger and larger population of non-contributing peoples. In this case it forces others to endure exposure to disease other wise eradicated. Taken to the extreme, nasty conclusions can be reached, which are common in nature but less so in philanthropic populations. .
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  • Posted by Kittyhawk 8 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I think one of the huge problems with the studies that have been done on vaccine safety is that true placebos (saline injections) aren't used for comparison in the trials. Very often, the vaccine is compared to another vaccine or is compared to an injection of all of the adjuvants (ingredients selected because they provoke an immune reaction) and potential toxins in the vaccine, minus just the bacteria or virus. If some of the adjuvants such as aluminum or thimerosol, or the many additional ingredients (such as eggs, peanut butter, foreign DNA) are the cause of health problems, this fact will be hidden when a true placebo is not used for the control group.

    In addition, only perfectly healthy children are allowed into vaccine trials, while the vaccines go on to be administered to children with all kinds of mild and serious, known and unknown, health problems. The vaccine trials represent the perfect case, rather than the reality of what the vaccines will do once given to the population at large.

    It's almost as if those designing the trials do not want to know the truth about vaccine safety and side effects. Hmmmm....

    If you look at the statistics for infant mortality rates regressed against the number of vaccine doses in various countries, there is a very clear pattern that requiring more vaccines leads to higher mortality rates. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic... The Pourcyrous Study cited in this article provides strong evidence of the harm these vaccines are doing to infants: http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/201... Here is some more persuasive evidence that vaccines certainly do cause harm, including autism: http://www.anh-usa.org/attack-on-vacc...

    Do vaccines cause "autism"? Maybe not in all cases, but I think it's very clear that some type of severe harm is being caused to some percentage of our children, and that we need more studies which are genuinely designed to clarify what types of harm are being caused, to which individuals, and why. Tens of thousands of parents publicly say that their normal child regressed into a state of autism following vaccination. We can ignore all of their statements as anecdotal evidence, but what is their motive to lie?
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