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Lost Tapes Reveal Apollo Astronauts Heard Unexplained ‘Music’ On Far Side Of The Moon

Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 2 months ago to Science
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Just another little tidbit NASA sort of never noticed, or forgot. Seems like it would be solar wind or Van Allen belt interference. But kinda spooky.
SOURCE URL: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/apollo-10-astronauts-reported-unexplained-music-at-moon_us_56c80662e4b0928f5a6c0679

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  • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 2 months ago
    "Music" differs from "noise" only in degree. Music is pleasant to listen to and makes you think of something; hence the name. Noise merely "annoys" you.

    Music also has some order to it. But that only means it could come from some kind of resonating system that puts out a few tones that might even harmonize. It does not mean any intelligent agent--and more particularly it does not mean any extraterrestrial flesh-and-blood agent--actually composed, recorded, and set that music up to play back. You can say that the far side might be the easiest place for an ET expedition to contact astronauts making a tentative exploration beyond their home world. But you cannot say that's what it was--not without more evidence of an ET expedition than what I have so far seen.
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 2 months ago
      All I heard was noise.
      Doubt noise would make it to any ET top ten hits.
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      • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 2 months ago
        Most "space music" may sound like noise, but it does end up with a deep rhythm and specific tones. The Jupiter and Saturn magnetic field music is very cool to listen to. It can rise and fall and seem to change beats back and forth.
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        • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 2 months ago
          Ah, I wasn't thinking big gas planet "music."
          I was thinking music made by an intelligent life form that would have to be a total fail for being such.
          +1 for you.
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          • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 2 months ago
            No, Dino, I am pretty sure they haven't found the Interstellar equivalent to ABBA yet... but the big boys make some neat sounds, there are some YT vids people have made from them.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 2 months ago
    I wonder if the receiver they were using had a beat frequency oscillator (BFO) for picking up sideband transmissions. Back then, that was one way to get better sensitivity: supress the carrier, receive just the sideband, and use the BFO to replace the carrier. If they did that, noise from the other radio's LO might have gotten into the receiver, as the one engineer suggested. I wouldn't expect this probem to come and go, though. Maybe the noise floor dropped when tey when behind the moon. I really wouldn't expect that though.

    I really wish they had given the frequency, the moduation type, and if they tried other frequencies.

    I have enjoyed creepy signals on the radio since I discovered them by chance at 12 years old. https://www.element14.com/community/g...
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 2 months ago
      One reason I posted this was I am aware of several different types of audio signals that have been caught in the past and were "unexplained" but later found to have a basis in fact, the solar wind one was a classic. They did use UFH radio transmissions, I have also wondered how radio waves propagate in space, are the a linear function, since there is no atmosphere? So if it was, then they could get away with low power and so it would be more likely to pick up low power background stuff.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 2 months ago
        "I have also wondered how radio waves propagate in space, are the a linear function, since there is no atmosphere?"
        They decrease as the square of the distance. It ends up following this simple formula: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friis_t...
        The atmosphere doesn't attenuate signals very much, but solid objects do. The main limitation of radio waves on earth is the curvature of the earth. You can work out range by knowing the height of the antenna and the radius of the earth. Transmit power doesn't matter unless it's really low. With good antennas I have worked on commercial wi-fi routers connecting oil and water pumps over 15 mile distances. (It's amazing how much normal wi-fi cards are used in important industrial applications.)

        Over the distances of space, they travel huge distances until they eventually fall into the noise floor of a practical receiver with pracitcally sized antenna.

        The first pulsar was called LGM for little green men b/c it seemed like something that couldn't be natural, an example of something that seemed creepy that turned out to have natural explanation.
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 2 months ago
          I remember the Pulsar debate from the seventies I think, and they used the first large scale radio telescopes to define the cause. I was wondering about comms, thanks for the reply.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 2 months ago
    If you want to find the secrets of the universe think in terms of energy ,frequency and vibration. The Earth rings like a bell it's called the Schumann resonance (7.83hz).The human body resonates
    At 33 harmonics or 32 overtones 7.83 ---to 258.39 or middle C. 33 is an important ancient number- 33 circles and paths on the tree of life .
    33 /32 feathers on the eagle back of the dollar bill.
    Jesus said to have performed 33 miracles and died at age 33. King David reigned for. 33 years.33 degree Scotish Freemason. There is One runway at cape Canaveral it is runway 33 angled 33 degrees from due north. 33 Mason's signed the Declaration of Independence It is likely that the hexagon on Saturn is caused by resonance. The sun is said to resonate at 528hz .That same frequency 528hz is proven to repair DNA in a UCLA lab. Green grass resonates at 528hz . Sound formulates all matter.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 8 years, 2 months ago
    None of those two - not solar wind or Van Allen (too far away) - but, clearly (1) it was noise, as Michael Collins said, though (2) as Al Worden (an extreme empiricist) insisted: "However, the producers give the last word to Apollo 15 astronaut Al Worden, who "doesn't agree with the radio theory," the narrator says. In the documentary, Worden says, "Logic tells me that if there was something recorded on there, then there was something there."
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 2 months ago
    Sounds a lot like noise in a reverberant or high gain analog circuit (which is no doubt what they had), particularly problematic if this is an AM circuit vs an FM circuit.
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 2 months ago
      It was on their UHF channels I think.
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      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 2 months ago
        Could be, but that is the frequency not the modulation scheme.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
          It was the aliens that caused it and here is, in sequential form, the proof.

          Three Went up and two landed boots on the ground while one stayed in lunar landing module. When the landed they soon discovered evidence of alien life forms. Perhaps even interacted. When they left the alien life form left. Almost back to an earth landing they pondered how to break this startling discovery and decided not to say anything. A good choice as on examination back on Terra Firma there were no aliens to be found.

          Have you discerned a proper explanation of the events?
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          • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 2 months ago
            Well, it was strange they just sort of "forgot" about it all. he astronauts decided discretion was the best part as they didn't want to get labeled as nut jobs...sad you can't just report facts...
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  • Posted by bsmith51 8 years, 2 months ago
    When I flew to Siple Station in Antarctica (1981-2), near the base of the Palmer peninsula, it had a 13 mile long antenna the Navy used to communicate with a station (I think in Ontario or Quebec, Canada) using the earth's magnetic field and only 1 watt of power (probably for research in submarine communications). I'm told that antenna is now 26 miles long, but haven't researched it. Just found this: https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p...
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 2 months ago
      That is a pretty darn big antenna. I think it models the emergency system used by TACAMO planes and the huge underground array in Michigan to communicate to submarines.
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