Trump fever explained

Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 2 months ago to Politics
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Ann Coulter does the best job which I've seen so far
at explaining how our angry populace views The Donald.
read at your own peril, or to your own delight. -- j
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SOURCE URL: http://humanevents.com/2016/02/17/gop-baffled-as-voters-rally-to-popular-candidate/


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  • Posted by ProfChuck 8 years, 2 months ago
    Trump and Bernie both scratch an itch that has been plaguing the country for decades. "Too much power in the hands of too few." The absolute corruption by absolute power is obvious and with us. While their solutions are substantially different both Trump and Sanders have identified the meat of the problem. The Sanders solution is unworkable and is akin to believing in perpetual motion. Trump wants to address the problem by rearranging the deckchairs of the seats of power. This is likely to replace the old scoundrels with new ones. The more things change the more they stay the same.
    Bernie is just an addled old 60's liberal that never got over the impossible dream.
    Trump is a bit more complicated. For someone that has enjoyed such spectacular success he is oddly insecure. This insecurity is revealed in his unusually thin skin and his tendency to pursue vindictive reprisals against anyone that challenges him.
    Both are dangerous.
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    • Posted by ewv 8 years, 2 months ago
      If people were "plagued" by "too much power in the hands of too few" why would they gravitate to ideological central authority like Trump and Sanders?

      Trump is the centralized power, dictatorial "man on a white horse" promising to "lead" to "greatness" with his own Pragmatic "deals" for anything and everything. Sanders is an out of the closet, open socialist (not a "1960s liberal") promising to use government power to control and take far more than it is now as a matter of openly collectivist ideology, submission to it being claimed to be for our benefit. Neither one has any concern for the rights of individuals to be sacrificed to their grand vision.

      This isn't more of the same. It's the expected progression of even worse unlimited government power wielded by a self-appointed elite.
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      • Posted by ProfChuck 8 years, 2 months ago
        You are assuming that politics, the quest for political power, and the mood of the electorate are logical and rational. I have seen little evidence of that.
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        • Posted by ewv 8 years, 2 months ago
          If people don't have reasons for what they do based on their premises what is the point of trying to analyzing it and attributing the motives to them that you did? If people only act out of irrational "itches" no discussion is possible.
          People are reacting to Trump and Sanders based on the values they hold and don't hold.
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      • Posted by 8 years, 2 months ago
        I wonder, ewv, who you would propose for president
        if you could appoint someone. -- j
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        • Posted by ewv 8 years, 2 months ago
          Dictators 'appoint'.

          George and Tom would be good but they term-limited out a while back.

          The problem today isn't picking an ideal president. It's finding who could and would want to do the most to protect the rights of the individual and re-establish limitations on government powers, who could explain it well enough to be elected, and who would be willing to tolerate the job under today's conditions. The problem of bad political philosophy entrenched in government and culturally supported is much broader than picking a president.
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          • Posted by 8 years, 2 months ago
            I translate that to indicate that you have given up
            on the u.s. and expect that another revolution in
            the society will be required to fix this situation.......
            am I close? -- j
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
              even if he won't answer the revolution is over...we are either in counter revolution to restore the constitution or we accept the fundamental goodies the revolution brought us ...such as arrest under mere suspicion ....

              got to keep the terms accurate and stay focused

              without that it will be a fourth revolution that we don't want.

              for you start with an empty sheet of paper and it will be written by the winners ...
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
      And how does voting for a socalist statist and a socialist corporatist and both openly fascist change that? Left is left.
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      • Posted by ProfChuck 8 years, 2 months ago
        As I said, "Both are dangerous." Hitler scratched a similar itch in Germany in 1933 and we all know how well that went.
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        • Posted by ewv 8 years, 2 months ago
          Hitler didn't "scratch a similar itch" against "too much power in the hands of too few". He openly espoused it. He was a 'compromise' National Socialist candidate between the communists and the religious conservative nationalists. There was no equivalent in Germany of the "American right" of individualism. The whole country was for statism, collectivism, and German nationalism, seeking a leader to impose it -- all on an altruist moral base of sacrifice accepted as the criterion of morality. That is the "ominious parallels"
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          • Posted by ProfChuck 8 years, 2 months ago
            It's always a case of "Whose ox is being gored". Power in the hands of the "right people" is always acceptable... until it's too late to do anything about it.
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              Posted by ewv 8 years, 2 months ago
              Power in the hands of the supposedly "right people" is not acceptable, not "always acceptable". Whether or not some people recognize that depends on their premises and values. This is not a matter of platitudes about an ox being gored. You started out talking about "itches" against "too much power in the hands of too few" and wound up contradicting yourself.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 2 months ago
    Old saying: Even a fool learns from his own mistakes; a wise man learns from the mistakes of others.

    In spite of being labeled, "Homo sapiens", we are not a wise species. I think that the root of the reason of Trump's popularity is that we have been scammed year after year by the same salesmen dressed in the same suits, saying the same things. Now Trump comes along (and Bernie too) and they are saying different things in different ways. We cynically suspect that 'they' might be crooks too, but their presence give us an opportunity: We can now lash out at all the people who scammed us in the past. Not the other current candidates, not the other party, but the structures who hand-served us the people we voted for and who fooled us time after time in the past.

    I believe that it is anger against past betrayals that is fueling the popularity of Trump (and Bernie). We can acknowledge that Trump (&B) will probably just scam us again - but for the moment, we can destroy the pre-arranged political candidates (Clinton & Bush) and hurt the structures that have been manipulating us.

    It is like firebombing a house where a heinous crime was committed: the house represents the crime. We have two candidates who are 'firebombs' looked at aghast by the Repub and Democ machines. People are flocking to those candidates so that our anger against the machines can lash out.

    Jan
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    • Posted by 8 years, 2 months ago
      Yes. . the pity is that the electorate cannot see the
      ultimate virtue of changing from the old political
      machinery to something genuinely new, like Dr. Paul
      or Gary Johnson. . they can, however, react and try
      to force change. . likely in the wrong direction. -- j

      p.s. I believe that the combination of no jobs and
      student debt is causing Bernie's popularity.
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      • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 2 months ago
        You are probably right. And, as the Coulter article points out, Trump is saying a lot of things that people want to hear...but I think that 'anger against the RNC machine' is why emotion is running so high.

        Jan
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        • Posted by 8 years, 2 months ago
          Yes! . they have promised smaller govt, lower taxes,
          fiscal responsibility, etc. without delivering. . ptui. -- j
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
            and screwed us over every time. That's that's the RINOPees. There are the others who if suipported might get somewhere and of them Cruz is the best chance...Never mind my preferences his greatest available pool of available votes is in the 46% disenfranchised. The trick is in getting them/us....it will take a public kind of stance and the balls to take that stand. Precisely because that party has screwed us over too many times no the least of which is becoming part of the left.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
          The RNC machine or DINOS is the right wing of the left and are controlled by the left. The anger or disgust is directed towards the single party system . Life is much more pleasant when you don't use the propaganda definitions of the opponents.
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      • Posted by jpellone 8 years, 2 months ago
        I don't think Bernie couild ever be the answer. He is Obama on steriods when it comes to the job market. His whole socialist approach will not just depress the jobs market but I believe will destroy many more jobs.
        Trump may not be our best choice but I believe he will atleast increase the jobs market. If he is the candidate, we unfortunately vote for him enmass because we (the USA) can't afford 4 or more years of progressive/liberal policies let alone the fact that the Senate cannot then stop another liberal Supreme Court Justice. That would surely flush our Constitution down the toilet!!!!
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  • Posted by SBilko 8 years, 2 months ago
    Trump is a buffoon and very dangerous. Many who support him are striking out in anger because he parrots some of their views, but in reality, Trump is a pragmatist just like Clinton, Obama and most other politicians. I shudder to think of his hand on the economy, or the nuclear switch.
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    • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago
      Clinton or Sanders would be far worse on the economy or the nuclear switch. FAR worse, and if you keep bashing Trump, you will wind up with Hillary most likely.
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      • Posted by SBilko 8 years, 2 months ago
        Makes no difference to me between those three.
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        • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago
          socialism is going to take over in the end here in the USA. Its only a matter of how long it will take. Obama really speeded up the process, as would Sanders and Hillary. Trump not so much
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          • Posted by SBilko 8 years, 2 months ago
            Precisely. Trump is a crony capitalist who has been quoted as saying that you don't have a heart if you don't believe in socialized medicine. As POTUS, he will soon discover that the easiest way to control the economy is to nationalize it. With him, it's all about making the deal...
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            • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago
              First of all, I would say that he is the only politician who comes right out with the cronyism that is rampant now, with campaign contributions and all.

              Secondly, I would ask why you would think Trump would do so many of the bad things, and NONE of the good things that we need? Hillary and Sanders are actually promising to do ALL those bad things and NONE of the good things.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago
    Donald Trump says the things that we are already feeling as citizens.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 2 months ago
      Yes, he does, but he doesn't mean to do anything about them unless it adds to his personal power. trump can't be trusted to represent the people.
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      • Posted by H2ungar123 8 years, 2 months ago
        I don't think he's equipped to get into
        specifics re: "Making America Great Again" -
        Why hasn't he explained how HE alone will
        make all this 'greatness' happen? Pshaw!!!
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      • Posted by roneida 8 years, 2 months ago
        freedomforall...and you obviously by your forceful statement of certainty about Trump, Have many candidates you would share who are trustable to represent us poor, unenlightened masses. Do you recommend the semi-communist from Vermont, or the Shrieking, evasive wife of the White House child abuser????
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        • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 2 months ago
          My posts here are extensive. To repeat the common theme: The GOP and the Dems are two left wings of the statist party. The GOP has betrayed conservative voters for generations. Voters don't get to choose the candidates of the GOP or Dems. Insiders will only allow a candidate that they can control, that is, a corrupt candidate without ethics. Any vote for either the GOP or the Dems is a wasted vote for a larger state, less individual liberty, and corrupt manipulated markets.

          At present, only Gary Johnson deserves any thinking person's vote for president.
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          • Posted by roneida 8 years, 2 months ago
            to freedom for all...I have no disagreement with your analysis or opinion of the 2 useless political parties in America nor with your thoughts on Gary Johnson. probably thousands of great men and women are better than any of the current candidates or the current occupier of our White House, BUT, we are facing an election that has existential consequences if it goes to any of the current contestants. RIght now Trump is the only one in contention that has any chance of bring in some change..the rest are hopelessly inept or as with Clinton visibly crooked. Which do you want.??Gary Johnson may be Christ incarnate for all I know, but until it is proven, we must find someone for 4 years that won't continue the terrible destruction Obama and his stooges have started. We don't have time for perfection, but we do have time for competence and fierceness and patriotism and zero tolerance for any more of the despicable political correctness and hatred of law and order. All lives matter. especially American.
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            • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 2 months ago
              I think you better concede defeat on trying to convince some in this forum that Trump isn't Satan in a suit and tie. I ignore the demonization of the candidates unfavored by the established "enlightened nobility" in American political hierarchy and media pundits, and do my own research, which I'm not sure many people do.

              You don't become a billionaire by dumb luck. Trump got started from a loan (not a gift) he got from his father, and parlayed that by learning how to convince people his offers were a win-win. Does he know how to twist an arm when necessary to get what he wants? Without a doubt, but then the Washington political game isn't for the meek.

              Like you I live in the real world, rather than the philosophical. I don't want Gary Johnson as President, for one big reason: I wouldn't trust his choices for supreme court justices. I'm sure that position will trigger lots of responses, and I look forward to the exchange.
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              • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 2 months ago
                We have been living in that "real" world of political betrayal and power corruption for far too long. You want more government control, less individual liberty, less free markets, then vote for HRM Trump. His reputation preceeds him if you take the time to examine his past actions.
                Good people must take a stand on principle regardless of the current "reality." If the founders of the States united had done as you recommend when their "reality" looked grim, America would never have existed and we would be having this conversation using snail mail instead of the internet.
                That comment on Johnson is nothing more than fear mongering and its not what I would have expected of you, DrZ.
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                • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 2 months ago
                  Regards Johnson, I'm merely taking caution from Ayn Rand, who regarded Libertarians as a greater threat than Communists. No justice will be progressive only on the issues this current crowd of Objectivists (myself included) favor, opening the door to the unintended growth of state power over individual rights and liberties.
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                  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 2 months ago
                    So no details on Johnson, just a fear of what might happen based on Rand's disagreement with now likely dead libertarians?
                    At the time of Rand's comments (early 70s) Johnson was 18 years old and just starting college.
                    How about objective analysis?
                    Pardon me, if I have misunderstood your reply.
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                    • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 2 months ago
                      Even avowed conservative Presidents have been unpleasantly surprised by some of the justices they've appointed, the most recent being Justice Souter, appointed by Bush 41. A Libertarian will naturally want to select from judges with a favorable history of decisions regarding decriminalization of drugs, privacy, and discrimination. Those would find favor among most posting here, but it is inconceivable that such justices will not also favor extreme gun control measures, as just one example exhibited by the current liberal activist justices on our highest court. I would also expect an authoritarian EPA would find such a justice on its side. I could go on, but I hope that's sufficient.
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                      • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 2 months ago
                        Straw man and adverse consequences fallacious arguments instead of specifics about Johnson, imo.
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                        • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 2 months ago
                          What specifics do you have about Johnson that defines what flavor of Libertarian (and there are many) he is? What is there about him that gives you confidence he will have some mystic ability to select justices that are Objectivist without the other unfavorable tendencies I point to that are universally demonstrated by other progressive minded sitting justices?
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            • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 2 months ago
              Obama offered change.
              Be careful what you wish for.
              No ethical candidate has a chance to win if people vote based on fear and not based on principle. You can see the result of this in the past 30 years of conservatives giving the GOP chance after insane chance to defend liberty against the looting of the Democrats. But the GOP has a different agenda than the promises they always break. If Trump becomes the GOP candidate he will be no different. he will deliver the lies with a big flourish (like Make America Great Again) but he will deliver betrayal.

              Stop being a pawn and vote based on principle.
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          • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 2 months ago
            I think Michael A. got it right when he called the GOP the right side of the left or words to that effect.
            Under the Constitution the government was meant to be mainly an overall protective organization and not much more. As Franklin put it that they needed to "Hang together or they'd all hang separately." Instead even those who claim to espouse what the Constitution stands for automatically go along with meanings and attributions never intended by the founders.
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      • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago
        I am losing interest in the whole election affair actually. I am not sure I care whats going to happen to the country. Its out of my control and I need to concentrate on myself. People in the gulch seem to think that Trump is the evil witch of the west, and they will wind up with real evil as a result of that.
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        • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 2 months ago
          First of all, it's The Wicked Witch of the West.
          Other than that, I think you're right. If Trump gets the most powerful office in the world, based on past performance, he may well become a not-so benevolent dictator.
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          • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago
            If not trump u will have dictator Hillary kidding over you. And we all know now a third Obama term is going to go. Trump wouldn't be anywhere as bad as that
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            • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 2 months ago
              If either Hillary or Sanders gets it, then the USA is all over. I won't feel too bad since most of my days are done, but I fell sorry for my progeny. And whoever else is left in the remnants of America.
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              • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago
                I was hoping for a good retirement, so thats why I wanted Trump. I thought he would at least slow down the decline more than the others.
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                • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 2 months ago
                  I hope you're right. I hope whoever of the pseudo conservatives wins and gets the presidency does the right thing. I won't bet on it, however.
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                  • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago
                    With trump it might be 30% bad. With Hillary ,90% bad. With Sanders 99% bad
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                    • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 2 months ago
                      I think you're going easy on Trump. 66% is more like it.
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                      • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago
                        Perhaps its somewhat emotional, but I really dislike Hillary (always have). She is power hungry, manipulative, a whore to her contributors, and lies through her teeth and then hides when caught. At least with Trump he tells you how it is, doesnt read from scripted speeches, and doesnt pander to contributors. I could be convinced to perhaps 40%, but that would bump HIllary to 99% and Sanders to over 100%
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                        • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 2 months ago
                          "Welcome to my home," said the spider to the fly.
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                          • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago
                            Its ok that you dont like Trump because he is NOT an objectivist. do you really want to live with Hillary? She will kill small business with her $12-$15/ hour minimum wage and her higher taxes. She is incompetent at foreign relations, as Obama was, and is into big giveaway programs to continue the "Obama legacy". At least trump doesnt suggest that stuff.
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                            • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 2 months ago
                              You speak as if the only alternative to Trump is Hillary. I scorn her. I would rather elect a weasel than her. But there's also Cruz and Rubio. I think that Cruz would be a far better candidate. Rubio's main virtue is that most polls show that he'd beat Mrs. Clinton in a general election. No candidate other than the Libertarian, comes close to Objectivist standard, but of those with the possibility of winning, I prefer Cruz.
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                              • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago
                                Rubio is too slick for me. I really dont know what he would do in office, except make raped women carry the baby to term (kind of stupid in my opinion).Both of them are religious zealots in different ways. But they are both political. If Trump wasnt going to get elected even if he is nominated, I would just withdraw I think from the whole discussion- planning instead for the rapid dissolution of the country. Rubio/Cruz wouldnt win against Hillary. She is too entrenched in my opinion and has too much money behind her.
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                                • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 2 months ago
                                  I think she is beatable. Even her staunchest supporters are beginning to distance themselves, and when the FBI reveals its findings, and possibly worse still, gets her indicted, it may be over for her. If that happens, look for Biden to suddenly appear, reborn out of necessity.
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      • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago
        so we should trust the other candidates who lie and manipulate? At least Trump says it like it is, and I for one like that and want it in politics now and in the future
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        • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 2 months ago
          Stop comparing lying politicians to other lyiing politicians in an attempt to excuse Trump's faults. Check out Gary Johnson.
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          • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago
            I did. His ideas just have no traction in this culture at this time. I feel it's a waste of time to get excited about him with so many entitled and socialist leaning people out there. The only shot at change is to hammer on the practical results of government controls, and trump is helping expose those. Gary Johnson might get 2% of the vote

            Btw I am not excusing trumps lack of philosophical consistency. It is what it is. 4 yrs of trump I think will be less than 4 yrs of any of the electable rival candidates
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            • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 2 months ago
              "[Gary Johnson's ideas just have no traction in this culture at this time."--term2
              I think his ideas could be nearly a majority if there some system like IRV that would keep people from feeling like they were throwing away their vote. "Social liberal / fiscal conservative" is almost a cliche. I think this is a libertarian country. We don't like sending nearly half our money to the gov't and then getting it back in a hodgepodge of programs.
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              • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago
                I think there is a lot of anger about politicians taking our money. And if you think about it, those people are attracted to trump. Trump has tapped into the anti establishment feeling. Gary Johnson is way more intellectually consistent than trump nut lacks the charisma. Trump makes it acceptable to be yourself and ignore political correctness. That is a good thing to open up thought. It's why I am voting for him this time. I can't stand lying, manipulate, and consistently statist Hillary. That's showroom get if not trump
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            • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 2 months ago
              So the republic is dead to you. Full circle back to repressive monarchy by your consent.
              "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
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              • Posted by 8 years, 2 months ago
                but, thinking of Ragnar logic, what we do must be
                effective, rather than just peeing upwind. -- j
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                • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 2 months ago
                  Nothing is effective if no one has the courage to resist.
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                  • Posted by Mamaemma 8 years, 2 months ago
                    Freedom, I have often thought about how much am I willing to risk to fight for freedom? I honestly think I would risk it all (easier since my kids are grown and educated), but I would want to think there was a real chance of success.
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                    • Posted by ewv 8 years, 2 months ago
                      The biggest battle is still to spread the right philosophical ideas. Without that no "courage to resist" would make a dent, and there is no point in making a martyr out of yourself.
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                    • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 2 months ago
                      At this point, I think peaceful resistance is the best course, Mamaemma.
                      We each must decide the best way to accomplish this, but voting based on principle instead of based on fear must be paramount. Choosing carefully to support only those who also support liberty and free markets could also be a priority. Those who support statist activities are the enemy and they do not deserve our patronage. The movie and tv business in particular are philosophically biased toward the state and have very effectively re-educated the public to accept the unacceptable. Public education should be exposed as the propaganda machine it is. People must use the bias argument against the local eductaion establishment if there is to be a fair chance for rational ideas to be taught.
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        • Posted by H2ungar123 8 years, 2 months ago
          Not saying to trust the others,but why trust
          Trump when he wont/can't put his money
          where his mouth is. Stop with the boring bom-
          bast and give us "just the facts"
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          • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago
            He is the ONLY one putting his money up to get elected. The rest just sell their souls to contributors in exchange for favors that will cost us all. He gives more of the facts than any of the others.
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            • Posted by H2ungar123 8 years, 2 months ago
              He gives more of the facts????? In what
              language??
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              • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago
                There is so much hatred of Trump on this forum, its incredible. If you want to be a hater, do it on the real enemies, like Sanders and Hillary. THEY are the ones who will continue and accelerate the damage Obama has done

                The hatred for Trump on this forum is really a mystery to me. Next to Gary Johnson and Rand Paul, both of whom are totally unelectable in this political culture, Trump is the next best candidate. AND WE WILL GET EITHER TRUMP OR HILLARY/SANDERS.
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                • Posted by H2ungar123 8 years, 2 months ago
                  Have never been a Trump hater. Met DT;
                  Marla,too, eons ago in his NJ casino and
                  found him to be a fun=guy, pleasant, etc.
                  Still think it's time he began making with the
                  specifics re: his promises to make
                  American great again. Those promises
                  sound tooooo good to come true!!!
                  We should be so lucky!!!
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                  • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago
                    Good point. My view is that its too early to know what they WILL do. Almost all promises made in campaigns are never carried out anyway. One tries to put the person in there who will at least pick good advisors and run the business parts of the government like proper businesses (not to say that the government should really be in any business endeavors- but it certainly is). Also, one who will present our country proudly and honestly to the world, and not like the arrogant Obama, who taps Angela Merkels cell phone, kills thousands of muslims in the middle east for a useless war, and then apologizes to the muslims for the existence of our country. People denigrated DT for Putin's praise of Trump, but I thought that was a real PLUS. You want the leaders of foreign countries to respect us. It will be easier and more forthright to deal with them, with less chance of some stupid war starting up out of mistakes.
                    Trump would meet with putin, and both would plainly state what we want, and then a deal would be made which would let both of us prosper.

                    It wont be Trump that makes America Great Again anyway. Its US who will do that once we are freed from the shackles of government. I think Trump understands that, as opposed to Hillary/Sanders who thinks government will make the country grow (which it really cant)
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                • Posted by 8 years, 2 months ago
                  it puzzles me when the pundits say that DT is not
                  electable because of "his negatives" -- the "I would
                  never vote for" polls and the like. . I doubt their numbers
                  and think that he would trounce Hillary Diane. -- j
                  .
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        • Posted by H2ungar123 8 years, 2 months ago
          Not saying we should trust the 'others' but why
          trust Trump to do what he says he will? Why
          doesn't he put his money where his mouth is?
          Put up or shut up. Stop the boring bombast and give us "just the facts, man."
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 2 months ago
    I didn't get to read the whole article; it turned out to
    be a video, and not a silent one, either; and I have
    had too much trouble in this library trying to get
    headphones to work properly with the machines. So
    I usually just don't watch videos.

    Trump's appeal seems to be to people who
    want to put emotion over reason.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 8 years, 2 months ago
    Trump is wrong about most things he says. What I love about him is he is blowing the hell out of the establishment media and government cronies. With Rand Paul out of the race, let's get somebody who will blow out the establishment and work with him. We'll show him deals he will love.
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  • Posted by jsw225 8 years, 2 months ago
    The answer is pretty well explained in the third paragraph of the article. But they did leave out one thing.

    7.) Anger at the Republican Party for betraying the voters that voted for them in the largest Republican victory in 150 years.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
      So...the right wing of the left betrayed them ...true...why should they vote for the left by a different name? As just one of their many blatant failings...
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      • Posted by jsw225 8 years, 2 months ago
        It's like that saying you've probably heard countless times: "Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity."

        If every 2 years Republicans vote for Republican candidates, and the vast, vast majority of them turn right around and side with the Democrats, why should we do it again?

        No real Trump Supporter believes or claims that he's a conservative (and I am one). It's just that after 8 years, 4 election cycles, of getting stabbed in the back every damned time, we're not going to do it again.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
          I'm wondering why you are doing so in such a disinterested lackadazical manner. A far left socialist extremist who, a left wing extremist socialist statist and trump as a left wing socialist corporatist make up the three choices that side is offering. That side being the controlling rulers of the Government Party. th esole surviving candidate that somehow slipped through their fine meshed nets seems to be Mr. Cruz - possibly and none from the 46% unrepresented and disenfranchised and anti left wing artichokes have been offered so much as a peek at a starting gate unless forced in by a majority of write ins. Hardly likely in an atmosphere of leftist propagandists and pimps.

          So as it sits now ...we have two leftist looters arrayed against one leftist moocher. Close to half the electorate has no representation at all and the polls are rigged to keep it that way. Small wonder a revolt or to be more accurate a counter revolution is taking place.against this charade.

          The point is if you feel as jsw2225 proclaims then why are you settling for some more servings of the same left wing fascist menu? Sanders, Clinton and Trump all together do not represent the United States of America. Except in the minds of leftist propagandists and pimps.
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  • Posted by not_so_much 8 years, 2 months ago
    Term Limits, Balanced budget, Flat tax. If the GOP would focus on those three items and then try like _ to make it happen, they would be a run-a-way landslide winner at all levels.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
      I would prefer they tried to make it happen rather than tired like to make it happen. But the GOP is heavily their right wing of the left and it will take a lot more than Cruz to keep them from caving. the source of that power is where it has always been but the percentage available is 46% of the voters.

      Why do I see the RINOS are left of center? Because they believe firmly in government control of citizens instead of citizens controlling government. The are not Constitutionalists and support fascism s theri vote showed on Dec. 31.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
        To the points listed. Balanced Budget? Right Clinton had one of those farces too. Flat Tax is still as fascist income tax and the percent can change at any time. Term Limits was already declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. Three soft balls three easy ways out for Trump.
        got anything substantive or is this just a plea for votes for another left wing socalist corporatist/statist looter?
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        • Posted by not_so_much 8 years, 2 months ago
          and you would like to see.............................
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
            read the posts and under my name it's a years worth. But in short i see to was to go.

            Cruz turns his back on the Rinos and brings in the 46% disencranchised and one way to do that , one mind you one, is pick Webb for VP.

            Continue to build the strength of the 46% who refruse play in a rigged game

            third would be support the military in carrying out their oath of office

            fourth doesn't bear mentioning...
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
              I think that was supposed to say , 'but in short i see three maybe four ways to go.'

              the fourth is a simple change vowels

              ballots drop a and o insert u and e.
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            • Posted by not_so_much 8 years, 2 months ago
              Uh, I have a CRUZ yard sign in my yard.
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
                wouldn't do much good where I am...but in the boating community we are running three to four in the right direction and huge number of libertarians and objectivists even some who didn't know there was a gulch...Liberals are the minority.We're getting a lot of interest and support in the AS vein from people here and those passing through from other countries in the world.. So...I do what I can
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 2 months ago
    I just hope those inflicted can be cured before November.
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    • Posted by ewv 8 years, 2 months ago
      It's a possible or likely scenario: Trump continues falling from his polls just before elections as people realize he's a power seeking demagogue with no substance, but not falling enough to lose the elections -- until its too late for the last one in November when we're stuck with him.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
        Only if he wins in the primary. If people wait unitl the General Election to figure that out they deserve him. I don't. Neither do the rest of the 46% so we build on that and stock up on the other sort of ballots. Or we control hiim at the Congressional level. That means taking enough control in the Senate to block a lot of his actions. Supreme Court nominations for sure. That is within the realm of possibility. but it all boils down to returning free and open elections not the bought and paid for kind. If that isn't fixed then it' time for Option Number three.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
    Not all in the disenfranchised section the 46% that now outnumbers the two parts of the Government party [Republican and Democrat) at 24% and 29%] that are not populist. There are Libertarians, several splinter parties those who are Constitutionalists with out affiliation, some who are old style conservatives without affiliation and in large part people who are just disgusted with rigged elections even some radical leftists and anarchists.

    But they all get lumped into one category and treated as one disease by the pundits. It's a way of further marginalizing those who have been driven out and those who refuse to play in a rigged game where the only way to win is don't play.

    So for those of us in the 46% and growing category some did remember you

    Don't flush your vote in the left wing out house give it purpose
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 2 months ago
    It seems like this is saying GOP should take note that Americans are rubes who want a populist "America first" (the article's words, not mine) policy. My guess is 25% want that. 25% want some form of socialism, which is about as destructive as the anti-trade foreigners-out policy.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
      it seems to you....don't put your conclusions in my mouth or pen either. I'm not in the guessing business that's for liberals.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
        And we are not interested in gaining traction in the left wing. It's full of Edsels and Stupidbakers ...What we used to call Studebakers in the old days.. and it has no where to go but down again and again and again.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
    Just for stuff and giggles those feeling down or lost read the new post about citizens declaring war on Rinos....Now available under NOW column
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
    The case for comparing Trump to the National Socialists of 1920's and 1930's comes from being a good student of history in general and and in particular following the path delineated in Ominous Parallels. It is, of course, not an exact parallel, but far to close to comfort when the other moods of the country are added.

    Trump is in fact whether he knows it or not, whether he cares or not a left wing socialist corporatist slash statist and an outsider which makes him very liberal by strict definiiton. Short version a looter.

    Remember.. I use real definitions not those of the corpus puerile or PC nor those of the left itself. it's easier to breathe without their enslaving chains and besides I don't like those with their nose in the air and still running over with s'not-hing useful.


    the right hand side bar column is now woefully behind the left hand main post column....apropos of nothing whatsoever except it makes it hard to address such fine statements and thank you it is one of my finest as Wicked Witch of the Left which gave still birth to WwOTL or waddle..and it's sister the Wicked Witch of the West who of coursde is Miss Lube Job of 1955 or whatever Comrade Nancy 'Call me Benita' Pelosillyni.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 2 months ago
    All the plans of the other candidates on immigration would work if they had been implemented 20 years ago. Another analogy: If a doctor finds a patient with an infected wound on his leg, he treats it with antibiotics. If the wound has acquired gangrene, it must be amputated. Unfortunately in the case of illegal immigration, we are in the gangrene stage. I only wish Cruz or Rubio had a similar plan to Trump's. That one stance alone could get him elected. Of course, we will then see if he has the strength to actually implement it.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
      so we add acting like a Republican not a RINO, acting alike a Libertarian or more imiportantly like a supporter of the Constitution, and doing something dramatic to appeal to the majority of the disenfranchises....and the plans you just mentioned. Put together to accomplish our objectives.

      I can support that.... What else are we missing that valid.
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 2 months ago
    Maybe if the guy wins he will be able to implement some of what he is saying; only the shadow knows.
    If the S.C. folk are an indication he will win regardless who the demos put out there.
    So time as always will tell.
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    • Posted by ewv 8 years, 2 months ago
      Do you want him to implement it? "Eminent domain is wonderful", "Federal lands are magnificent", "health care provided for everyone", "the Bible is my favorite book", "make Wall Street pay", "prevent businesses from leaving", "make
      Apple 'cooperate' with circumventing encryption", "send immigrants through the back door but let the illegals turn around and come back in the front", "make Deals" and make "the country great" -- any deal for anything sacrificing anyone to any "deal" in fascistic nationalism.
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      • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 2 months ago
        what is said while on the campaign is not what happens if you win. All of what you list is NOT what I believe. Which of them would you like to see as pres. for me I think the job should stay vacant for the next 20 years.
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        • Posted by ewv 8 years, 2 months ago
          You said you hoped he would implement some of what he is saying.

          The Trump supporters are susceptible to the part of his demagoguery they find appealing, ignoring the rest, ignoring that even what they like is a contradiction of what he said the day before or the year before, ignoring the destruction of pragmatic strong arm ideology, and not asking questions so as to not rock the boat. What are they counting on?

          The election is not about the job being vacant for 20 years or about what we want. It's about which of very few alternatives we will be subjected to and which might be the least harmful in what way under which policies.

          If the presidency were vacant for 20 years we would only be subjected to the rule of the whims of the Federal agencies already entrenched, much of which doesn't change because of who is president and some of which becomes worse to varying degrees, and a military run by competing generals with no one in charge. The problems in this country are a lot more fundamental than imagining keeping another bad president out of office for 20 years.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have to say that after she was blindsided by Obama at the last minute, I thought the same thing would happen this time. I think she is disliked, but the powers that be like that she can be bought for a few contributions. The voters, however, I think harbor severe distrust of her in the quiet of the voting booth. I dont believe the media at all, as they support her. I hope Sanders blindsides her so Trump can more easily win the general election
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Rubio is hot. He would appeal to women for sure. I did hear something about him swinging both ways (which I dont care about at all, but it might kill his chances with women if it comes out)
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