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Posted by lukenbocker 10 years, 3 months ago to News
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I think we need to stop naming kids DaQuan and ShaT'qua. We also need to spend more time with our kids and love them and make sure that God and Jesus are first in our lives.

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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    ok, I'll accept it showed up later as the New Testament did and was revised and revised...
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  • Posted by LionelHutz 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I might be able to shed some light on this. Your statements presume Christianity started out with the Original Sin doctrine, and we now have modern denominations rejecting it. There is an alternative explanation: Original Sin wasn't there in the beginning - it got tacked on later as an opinion of men that started carrying more weight than it ought. When denominations reject it, they don't believe they're rejecting some core tenet. They reject it because they recognize it as error committed by men, unsupported by the Bible itself. To them, the Bible carries more weight than a "well, Augustine said..."
    To the rest of your comments, I'll leave that for another day should the opportunity present itself. I really don't come on here to talk about the subject. I just have to speak up when I think Christianity is being misrepresented.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was raised a Presbyterian. We never discussed original sin. However, I find it interesting that Christianity can accept some tenets of the faith and reject others without looking at the faith as a whole and asking about it's basic beginnings. There should be a theme of acceptance or rejection. In Objectivism, in order to claim you are an Objectivist, you need to accept the basic premises of the philosophy.
    Jesus dying for everyone's sins is the opposite of Objectivist philosophy. So I'm always scratching my head that Christians are ok with other parts of Objectivism. Because those other parts are based on the fact you would not value such sacrifices.But, everyone can do and think as they will. The contradictions will be pointed out in here.
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  • Posted by rlewellen 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I gave you a point because Christians and non Christians are responsible for their own behavior even if you are saved, you sin. We are all human.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Aaah, but that's the point, you can't make it right for the business owner. Only by helping him understand that he's in a location with a sector of society that doesn't respect his rights and in order to cut his losses, he has to change locations. In the process, hopefully someone can introduce him to a little Objectivist thought that he can then use to better his chances of future success.
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  • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I thought I must have missed something because I never saw that LS demanded you leave. She just asked why Christians would want to be there. It appears many here seem to think that you can only be moral if your god fearing. That takes all responsibility for your own actions away from you. It means that you are only moral because god is forcing you to be. Many that attacked LS didn't have a reasoned argument. Faith: firm belief in something for which there is no proof Merriam-Webster Dictionary
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  • Posted by LionelHutz 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I criticize nobody for linking Original Sin with particular denominations, for many teach it. There are, however, others that are not nuanced about this at all - they outright reject it. I provided a link to one that does just that. To say essentially "sorry - you're all the same - you have to believe in original sin or you're not Christian - I don't care how much you protest" is to show an unwillingness to honestly portray the viewpoint of these denominations - it's amounts to dishonest character assassination. Do not say it is never discussed. It is discussed in the context of "this is a false doctrine we must put an end to."
    To the baptism question, it is simply a matter of whose sins are being forgiven. Original Sin charges everyone, even an infant, with the sin of Adam. That's whose sins are being removed under that doctrine. It is an entirely different matter to say one is baptised to deal with their own sins, whose guilt is carried because that individual knew the difference between right and wrong and chose the wrong.
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  • Posted by rlewellen 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yeah that is according to Wikipedia. I have been to Evangelical, Methodist, Baptist, Presbyterian, Non Denominational and Seventh Day Adventist churches and have close friends from all that I mentioned, that is not taught. The only place I ever came acrossed it was a Catholic Sister -in-law that told me about it after she lost her baby who was not Baptized.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_si...

    it is a concept unique to Christianity. I can't help it that your church never discusses it, but it is primary to to Christianity. Judaism does not teach "inherited sin". You can explain it in how many other ways and terms you like-but it is still a component of uniqueness to the Christian faith-
    and it is philosophically the opposite of Objectivism. what's the point of baptism then? seriously, up is down
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  • Posted by LionelHutz 10 years, 2 months ago
    I am disagreeing with you only on the matter of what the Protestant position is on Original Sin. You can argue the Original Sin doctrine is not true, and I won't disagree, but it's not the point. You can say that Calvin and Luther and Protestants in general say "read the Bible", and I won't disagree, but it's not the point. You can say the Wiki is wrong on the Catholic view of Original Sin because it is inconsistent with their view of infant baptism. I'd argue Wikipedia's got the situation explained right and their explanation merely exposes the inconsistency you raise, but it's not the point. None of this changes what the Protestant position on Original Sin in fact is. I really think you've got a misunderstanding here.
    http://sbcheritage.com/southern-baptists...
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  • Posted by LionelHutz 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, fair enough! I think we're both in the end making the same reply to dbhalling that he shouldn't be so quick to label Original Sin teaching as "Christianity", and statements to the contrary as "nice, but not Christianity".
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  • Posted by rlewellen 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have gone to protestant churches for more than 45 years and was never taught that man is born with sin. Maybe there are a few that teach that now or did over a hundred years ago but that is not a brush you can paint protestants with.
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  • Posted by rlewellen 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Even if the wiki article is right which it's not because it says that Catholics don't believe in original sin. Yet, they babtize babies so they don't go into Limbo if they die. Martn Luther the first protestant wanted people to read the bible for themselves. Could Calvin or Luther have misinterpreted something . Yes. But they both wanted people to read the bible. That is what all Protestant Churches teach. The Old Testament is based on Jewish beliefs they don't teach that babies are born with original sin.Were we were born into a world where there was no sin? No, with desires Yes. Protestants say read the Bible. Martin Luther read the bible. I have no idea why he reverted to what he was taught before he read the bible maybe he was torn by his original beliefs. Read the Bible. Paul did not say every man is guilty of Adams sin. The Old Testament was Jewish teachings and they don't teach that people are born with sin.

    22 For as in Adam all die(this is sin), even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
    This shows that Adam as the example sinned. God could have gone through the same process with every human born after Adam, put them in the garden tell them stay away from sin. Let them eat the fruit then send them into the world. Let them find out they can't do everything by themselves.That is not what he chose to do sin entered the world God gets to choose.who are his examples.
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  • Posted by LionelHutz 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Surprising statement! I disagree. Yes, they most certainly do. A visit to the Wikipedia pages on Original Sin and Calvinism should establish that. There may be some outliers considered Protestant that don't believe this, but the majority most certainly do. Their PROTEST in Protestantism (versus Catholicism) has nothing to do with the Catholic view on Original Sin.
    "But original enters into us; we do not commit it, but we suffer it. We are sinners because we are the sons of a sinner. A sinner can beget only a sinner, who is like him.” - Martin Luther.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's not right for the business owner. But it's a realization that in that particular environment, he can't succeed. Take his business away from those that will not respect his rights to property and success. Leave them without business and let them figure out how to survive without it.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How is that right for the business owner? Who has invested time and treasure in creating their business.
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  • Posted by LionelHutz 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Were one listening to the standard Catholic/Protestant explanation of Original Sin, they'd be quite correct to draw your conclusion. I am going to quibble with you that you paint too broad a brush when you say this is contradictory to Christianity, however. The original sin was Adam and Eve's disobedience in eating the forbidden fruit. The precise impact of that on mankind has been argued inside the church for centuries, and there is NOT universal agreement on this. The Catholic/Protestant explanation is prominent, but does not represent Christianity as a whole. Here is but one counter-example:
    http://churchofchristarticles.com/blog/a...
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  • Posted by rlewellen 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He sent them out of the garden of Eden where they would have to learn for themselves, just like we have to do with our children at some point. We can't just tell them they have to figure it out, and learn how all the pieces fit and work together.
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  • Posted by rlewellen 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He has no sin, he has not made any choices, he is an innocent, why punish him?
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  • Posted by rlewellen 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    God gave them everything, they spoke with him. They knew him. He gave them choices and did not make them robots. They chose to do things he forbid.
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  • Posted by rlewellen 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sounds condescending to me too when put that way. The way it was done was not productive. Noone can be pushed into it.
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