Isn't It Wonderful?!
I think that it's just thrilling that Pope Francis feels that the illegal aliens (excuse me...undocumented Democrats) are noble pilgrims embarking on a journey to a brave, new world, and that Bishops should encourage their priests and flocks to welcome them with open arms. His Holiness was a bit light on the details, however. I don't believe the he mentioned how many of them would be continuing on to Vaticanus and how their transportation was to be paid for. Further, he must have forgotten to detail exactly how the Papacy was going to take on the support for those who choose to remain here, paying for food, housing, healthcare, education, etc. In addition, how is the Holy See going to take on the responsibility for the further criminal escapades and mischief the a segment of these people will commit?
But I suppose that His Holiness and Our Holiness will have some secret meeting to work out the details.
~Sigh~
Isn't it just wonderful?
But I suppose that His Holiness and Our Holiness will have some secret meeting to work out the details.
~Sigh~
Isn't it just wonderful?
regards
ww
The people to whom I refer, I have know for over 30 years. (I know: How unCalifornian of me!) They not only talk-the-talk of being friends, they walk-the-walk.
I too have relatives and other people I know who I cannot depend on to 'have my back', not because they do not have good will towards me - they do - but because their deeds make them untrustworthy. So I interact with them pleasantly, but do not rely on them.
If I have more thoughts or observations on this, I will be glad to discuss them further with you.
Jan
So, you have 2 premises: that people with completely different views of the world from yours are "gracious...imaginative". Is this truly true? Are they indeed honest, for example? If you questioned them carefully and relentlessly, would they admit that yes, they do believe that it is a proper, moral, correct action to take from you, by force, to give to another. That person is not your friend.
Another premise is that these people are your friends. "Friend" is a serious word which I don't award to anyone lightly. I know my friends will have my back in any and every situation which might occur, with no hesitation - and that I would do the same for them. Is this true for you and your friends?
You might want to check these premises to assure yourself that they are true, that these people really are what you think they are. Try them with the hot-button issues of the day and consider their responses. I'll be interested to hear your results. Maybe they're secret Objectivists?
I have a brother, and as long as we talk about what a nice day it is, or how good dinner is, you would think we are friendly. We are not. He is a communist of the most rabid, non-thinking kind, and he is in fact my deadly enemy. Because he really does not think, I doubt he has ever had that thought. But I have, and I have absolutely no doubts about in which direction he will run, in what type of emergency. This is no longer as painful as it once was.
As I said, I'll be interested in what happens for you in this situation.
ww
Jan
Like many of us in the Gulch, though, I have spend most of my life being the 'one thing is not like the other' person in the room. I have come to realize that there are genuinely people whose intrinsic models of the universe are hugely different than mine.
Some of these people have become my close friends - they are flaming liberals. Nonetheless, they are gracious, generous with their own possessions, supportive, honest, intelligent and imaginative. How can this happen? How can so many blasted nice geniuses believe that because they are willing to give money to support people who do not work that it is OK for them to take my money to do the same? I am evolving some theories, but don't feel that I have this problem captured yet.
These people have my respect as individuals, because they have earned it over the course of decades.
Jan, the observer
But forgot to fill them
Sent the food overseas
For a couple of billion
Now the kids are still starving
If the stories are true
But for sure the blame
Will fall on you!
this unholy debt, we may never "have what we got." -- j
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This is a real question, no sarcasm intended.
How can such people behave with integrity? I define integrity [actually, my brand-new OED defines it] as soundness of moral principle; the character of uncorrupted virtue, esp. in truth and fair dealing; uprightness, honesty, sincerity.
How can someone who truly believes what I have produced, or obtained honestly, is actually his? That is certainly not fair dealing.
How can someone who behaves with no concern for the consequences of his actions [remember the woman with the 10+ children?] believe that I should help support those children? I didn't beget them or bear them; what concern are they of mine? Is it virtuous to bring children into the world knowing that someone else must support them?
I'd love to go on, but I truly don't get it either side of your statement. I see no integrity in them, and no reason for my respect - or yours.
Your thoughts?
ww
I totally disagree with his philosophy, but I am aware that many people of the world actually believe in it and would chose it for themselves. I soooo do not understand this personally - but I do understand that any system of governance needs to take this human tendency into account: We live in a real world where people are socialist and/or religious and we cannot ignore it.
I think Francis believes what he says, but I do not like or support his plan. I want the US gov to firmly keep illegal immigrants out of the US. I am quite willing to be open-handed about work visas and legal immigration policies but I want illegal immigrants gone.
I and my ancestors, for a number of generations, have invested our efforts (and our taxes) in creating a physical infrastructure that makes our lives better. The only people who have a right to that infrastructure are the people who made it and their invited guests - legal immigrants and visitors.
But there are lots of people who disagree with me and who think that what I have belongs to them by right. I can disagree with those people, but still understand that their views and philosophies are real - and if they behave with integrity, I may have a lot of respect for them.
Jan, "may" is a big word
It seems there are to many on this forum who have no sense of humor. I doubt that the pope has as much belief in jesus as I have in Arn Rand.
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