Good quote.

And, those that continue to re-elect them.

"The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them in parliament."
Vladimir Lenin

The answers are easy. Getting political idiots to understand is hard.

Spot on Robbie. Forget whats best for the people lets do whats best for the government.

I really like this idea. I don't get the woman from the family advocate group. Are people at risk? What about the poor? Driving costs down helps everyone.

Exactly! Its not an insurance problem. Let the free market take over and we can just afford to pay out of pocket again.

I don't like a flat fee for prescriptions. It should be done on a percentage basis if at all. That way competition will help keep costs down. If I am paying 10.00 no matter where I go then I'll just go where it is convenient.

I think the US got out of control when HMOs
came out. The concept of paying a fraction of the cost for something changed marketplace supply and demand. People were out of touch with real costs and small business owners were bearing much of the brunt of the true cost of the procedure or drug plus some. So in prescription drugs you had HMO huge demand and individual limited demand. It will eventually tighten supply which also drives up cost. Paying $5 for a prescription robs from those who pay an inflated price to make up the difference in cost. We have always paid cash for scrips. At times even the phatmacist is shocked at that price compared to what insured are paying.

The free market is amazing if we just let it work.

It's all about control and getting people into the system. I would like to have a major medical policy for major illnesses and pay the rest out of pocket.

I can think of 2 reasons, 1 good and 1 bad.

The good reason: actual insurance against rare but expensive (sometimes lifesaving) treatments (just like homeowners insurance).

The bad reason: bureaucratic overhead, prohibitions on new providers entering the market and the like have jacked up the price of a $10 service to $100, but 'insurance' will pay $90. If you don't have insurance you get stuck paying $100, but maybe they'll cut a deal and only charge you $30-$50.

Probably

That's what I'm hoping for. Not sure that'll let Dr.s do it for long when the yank is getting everybody on ins. So they can data mine us.

Maybe the Republicans will pull a page from Lincoln's book. Just eject the legislators that disagree and not let them vote for 30 or 40 years. Then pretend they saved the union and made everyone free. F%^*ing politicians.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/11/news/eco...

Want to interject a little political realism here. All of the alternate proposals are excellent. There is just one problem. It is called the FILIBUSTER. Unless the Republicans take the senate over with 60 members, there is no chance that the Democrats will allow any revision of the bill to pass. No revision, no defunding, no repeal will ever pass the senate unless the Republicans abrogate the Filibuster completely. I don't recommend this course of action even if Majority Leader? Reid does.
The 60 vote requirement is not impossible to reach, it just seems very, very unlikely. So without one of those two events happening, ObamaCare is here to stay. Think about that when it comes time to vote and put in Senators that will vote to repeal the ACA. Then all we have to do is make sure that Hillary or some other Progressive doesn’t get in in 2016.

There are many doctors doing just that

I have often wondered why doctors don't offer one price for insurance and another for cash. When I was young and had no insurance I went to an eye/ear specialist. His office visit at that time was 47.00. I said I was paying cash and he charged me 27.00. With the cost of processing forms out of site why not ask people to pay cash for the simple stuff?