Okay, folks. Here it is. The Fiji location of which I spoke earlier. This is a humongous piece of property with all kinds of developmental potential. I know some of you are adamantly opposed to Fiji as a location but, for the life of me, I can't find anything better. I've looked at this from all sorts of angles and there is just too much potential here to ignore. Managed lumbering, aquaculture, tourism, agriculture, industrial. There's even a deep water inlet for maritime operations. Freehold status. The biggest bump would getting the Fijian government to allow sovereignty.

http://exclusiveview.knightfrank.com....

As early adopters/ amongst the first customers, Gulch members can assist with the culture to develop in the desired directions(pro Rand, high tech)

My concept:
Pick a place to start a business with Gulch members being considered as prefered stockholders.

Have you heard of 'strata titling'? Apparently it is where all of the units of an apartment building get recorded as private residences. These can subsequently be bought and sold based on the calculations of the owners.

In Australia we have a self-managed super fund scheme, I think that the best way to describe it to Americans is a 401k controlled by the individual that it affects.


I would like to create an agricultural business that focuses on 'industrial-scale organic agriculture' each resident (+family - multiple generation hetero prefered) would be able to create a productive permaculture garden that sells its extra produce to a cooperative owned food processing facility.
Each 'garden' would be ~10 acres/4 hectares in size.

To get around the need for a Midas Milligan, buying an insurance policy contract that acts like a mortgage - you don't need to be fully funded up front, but the contracts create a pool that can be used as collateral against development finance.

To gain concessions for the business conglomerate, we need to help the state deal with its problems in a constructive manner.

@john

1 hectare = 2.5 acres
3200 ha = 8000 acres (~12.5 sq mi)

I wish I had that. I'm in a financial hole hole right now a bailout would nice.
Maybe we will have our Midas Mulligan someday. But right now they're making all the money they can before the economy flounders because the Fed are bunch of flounders.

This one?
http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts...
Got a spare $50 billion to get started?

A few months back on the Gulch when this subject was brought up, I wrote up a plan on how to get to an island New Atlantis. I'm sure jbrenner could retrieve it. If not pls adv I will retype it up.

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Should be on the way.

Sent you an email. (not a producer, so no pm)

Drat!!! Please PM your e-mail and I will forward to you. Maybe you can get it posted.
The reason I said "about 10 sq mi" is I knew 640 acres= 1 section or one sq mi. So, 3200 ha would probably be equivalent to 6400 acres, therefore, 10 sq mi., more or less.

1 sq mile = 640 acres (about 259 hectares)
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Hi Ho folks. freedomforall sent me a blurb on a possibility: Chatham Island off the SE of NZ. about 250 km or 150 mi.
I contacted the agents handling the property. Took them awhile to get back to me. Upshot is looks like a nice piece of property (asking NZ $5,000,000 or US $3,164,324). Encompasses most of western peninsula (equals an area of about 10 sq. mi. (if my math is reasonable. freedomforall, check me on this, please) Property is agriculturally sustainable and offers some other developmental opportunities. There seems to be a variety of sporting and some cultural activities on the island. Now, if I can figure out how to attach the e-mail download to this, you all can see that at which I am looking. (HA! Correct grammar strikes again.)

http://mail.airmail.net/email/scripts...

I hope this works.

Good thoughts.

Oh stop it. A small island can be wiped out by a hurricane, and any country with the smallest military and a little gumption/irritation/agenda.

If we are going this route, I'd upscope again and plan for Mars.

Doing a good deed? Nope. This is all for me.

I view squaring away such a population and securing a tangible, resource-rich location with some scope as good for me, and good for the rest of us.

I would postulate that a military tasked with defense needs to be capable of offense.
Short of a naval blockade, half measures like embargo are not very effective, except perhaps in raising prices. I agree that self-sufficiency is good, but it comes down to the degree that is acceptable.

Self sufficiency in requirements for life itself (food, water, energy, air for example) can improve survival risk probability given how frequent certain countries/elites use trade blockades as a weapon. Having a military capable of offense to defeat such tactics results in temptation to use it offensively. Perhaps Atlanteans could avoid such temptation, but I'd prefer to keep the military limited to strong enough defense capability to make attack by enemies far too expensive to consider. That leaves political attack such as blockades. Self sufficiency in certain things blunts the effect of such attacks. I agree that trade with other countries that recognize our sovereignty is very desirable.

The ones in turmoil don't need help. They need a handout. That's why they're in turmoil. You're thinking of doing a good deed - sorry, but that's a waste of effort. It takes generations for people to learn anything.

A small island can be artificially expanded when the need and resources allow.

I hope these thoughts occur to multiple people and maybe they'll form a federation in the future.
-A business incubator that sets up in a remote location under a tax abatement program and enjoys surprising success and turns into a veritable city-state
- a colony of eccentric retirees on their remote island
-people building infrastructure for researchers in Antarctica, which currently doesn't belong to one single nation state
-a troubled nation state (e.g. Venezuela) looking for a good model of government.
-a space station.
All that sounds fantastical, but so does building a powerful nation based on the ideas of great philosophers in a remote corner of the world.

Small is ok. Tiny island isn't. Don't think there is a "small" place that doesn't require dis placing a population. Therefore, why not a big one in turmoil needing help

I see a number of comments regarding size. I don't see why a very small country is necessarily unsustainable. Not saying that it is; just don't understand or see any big show stoppers if the territory is small. I don't think that Atlantis needs to be self sufficient in everything. We produce and sell those items or services that we excel in, and buy what we don't excel in.

Understood.

I think a tiny gulch is unsustainable. I want a real country. Not concerned about stepping on some toes

I would prefer to avoid another Arab / Israeli conflict.

Who said anything about a day? This will take a long time for those guys. In the meantime, we'll have a capitalist society. If they join a liberation socialist army, well, that resolves a bunch of mouths to feed,