My Doctor Quit

Posted by iroseland 10 years, 3 months ago to Culture
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I am a type1 Diabetic.. So, it is pretty important for me to have a reasonably good relationship with my Endo. For the last 18 months I have been pretty much running on auto pilot while taking part in a fairly big drug study for Lilly. I figured there would be no problem as my endo was one of the doctors on the study, the facility is even an extension of the clinic I go to.. Its even just downstairs. But, last fall I had sort of noticed that my usual endo was not really around and I was only ever seeing the other guy. Again, I was running on autopilot so I didn't really think too much about it. Now, as part of the study, I was not on the test insulin this time ( I was a control ) but, Lilly provided 100% of everything. Every 3 months I would haul home a crate of insulin pens, tips, test strips, glucose tabs, sharps containers.. Pretty much any supply I could imagine needing, and some that I didnt.. Yesterday, the study ended so I knew I would be needing to update my actual scripts and stop at the pharmacy. This is when I discovered a few things. First, apparently last fall my regular Endo suddenly retired. Apparently, it was a very sudden retirement.. Odd since he is probably in his mid 50's and _very_ damm good at his job.. While I had been thinking that the health care act was causing retirements, I had never actually thought that it would hit me so fast. As it turns out this is a huge problem now since< apparently it is against the law out here to write an insulin script if the doctor has not actually seen me in the last 12 months. So, now I need a new endo and to top it off the clock is ticking as my emergency supply drains away.. The good news for me is that I have pretty stellar, and mostly unused insurance.. So, I will do my part to help make things more of a mess by using an urgent care to get new scripts. Yes, this might mean that someone with a more immediate issue gets to wait a bit longer.. But at the same time I will only last about 40 hours after the last of the emergency supply runs out. So, I would describe this as a fairly urgent problem.. Of course this whole mess got me thinking back to the days when Insulin was technically an OTC med. In fact for most of my life a bottle on insulin was about 25 bucks and I did not need a script to buy it. The pharmacy folks would occasionally give me crap for not seeing an Endo.. But back in my 20's I did not have insurance as it was way outside of my price range, and I was already pretty good at being a type 1. That all changed with the latest generation in insulins. The FDA has classified them as being too dangerous to be OTC and as it turns out there is a reason. Apparently its the Doctors that don't want us to be able to just go out and buy insulin. They prefer to force us into making an office visit every 6 months so we can see them for about 90 seconds and then get our script updates phoned in by the assistant.

So, my to big lessons on this are that Dr's are in fact going galt.. Also, they were busy cutting their own throats..



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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    In addition to DrZarkov's cruise ship, there are plenty of docs that have gone Galt in Costa Rica.
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  • Posted by bassboat 10 years, 3 months ago
    As for docs spending all of their time filling out forms there is another example that I would like to share. When I was a kid I lived in a city that had a population of 65,000. They ran the school system with a superintendent, a secretary and part time music and art teachers. When we graduated from high school we had a high class average, one that still has not been beaten academically. Today the city has 35,000 and it runs the school system with a superintendent, several secretaries and 110-120 other employees, ex teachers who were bumped up to significantly higher salaries. I asked my wife what in the world they did there all day. Her reply, they are filling out government forms that are required in order to get government funds from DC. This is repeated 1,000's of times across America. How can we as a people be so stupid?
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  • Posted by 10 years, 3 months ago
    update: The good news is that I am pretty resourceful.. I managed to get into the urgent care clinic early on Saturday and got my scripts updated and filled... In the meantime I am pretty annoyed with the Endo's for pulling an Orren Boyle on this one..

    http://www.diabetesmine.com/2012/06/fda-...


    As for these stories.. Yes, I expect it.. While the Endo's association might have pulled an Orren Boyle there are plenty of good Doctors out there that would prefer to be good Doctors instead of O'care stool pigeons or insurance accountants...

    That reminds me, my previous Endo.. He was running his own private clinic. One doctor a Nurse/Diabetes Educator a lab person, and 4 billing specialists. He is also retired now..
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  • Posted by 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have some good news on that one. There are a new class of neuropathy drugs in human trials now. I took part in the cebix study of a c-peptide replacement, for type ones and the nerves in my left big toe grew back. Ok, it seemed like all at once in the middle of the night. But the pain only lasted a little while and the nerve conduction tests proved the regeneration. I became a type 1 back in the days when they said that was a one way trip.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    With all due respect, you are not the "cow", you are the "teat". You are the mechanism for the payments, but the actual production is coming from all the rest of us (unless you are independently wealthy and pay all you medical bills from your own funds - a rare occurrence in this day and age).
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  • Posted by editedforbias 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are correct on the technical versus social. I used to think one of the problems with the social is that it ignores the technical or industrious side of growth. I am rethinking that. I now believe that they do not ignore it, they NEED it. They FEED on it. They do not understand it or value it, other then to feed their programs. So the only way to starve the beast is to stop advancing, to contract, to walk away. As long as we find technical solutions to their social engineering, they will have the ability to reengineer. Their really may be no way to stop them then to stop the machine and let them starve.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Editedforbias -

    One of the distinctions we have to make as practical futurists is the one between a technological solution to a problem and a social solution. (Can you tell I am a geek?) Malthus thought that the geometric expansion of population would outpace the arithmatic expansion of food. This did not happen, for two reasons (a) he had no evidence for his theory...it was just a thought problem, (b) technology provided the solution to both points of his hypothesis. Even given that his thought problem would have proven correct in a world of level technology, that is not our world - the agricultural revolution and the existence of birth control has stood his theory on its metaphorical head.

    This can happen in other venues as well. What happens when a significant portion of healthcare is taken out of the hands of the healthcare industry and put into the hands of the casual user? What happens when the working class is almost entirely robotic and there is affluence without need or possibility of work for 90%+ of the population?

    It is possible that the solution to social and political problems is to make them irrelevant. My company is a small company, but we are still swimming.

    Jan
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  • Posted by matchpoint2009 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    OMG!! A voice of reason in a sea of misplaced blame! Whoever you are, YOU get it. The doctors have quietly been trying to comply with each new regulation, that impairs their ability to provide good patient care. And then are scape-goated by everyone, including the people that are tightening the screws on them. I wonder if anyone on this forum ever read the book "Atlas Shrugged"? The others don't seem to "get it".
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm guessing under O'care the authorized care regime for such circumstances is going to be something along the lines of: "Hit thumb of non-dominant hand with sledgehammer. Subsequent pain will relieve other source of pain. Repeat as necessary."
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  • Posted by UncommonSense 10 years, 3 months ago
    You have my deepest sympathies. Damn. I knew this was going to happen, called it back in '09 to one of my colleagues.

    Finding a new doc whom you can trust is a tough thing to do. Best of luck & hope you don't have to spend a lot of time either.
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  • Posted by SolitudeIsBliss 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My husband also has neuropathy/radiculopathy, stenosis and its becoming more and more difficult to get the meds he needs to get the pain under some limited control.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 3 months ago
    I'm a type 2 diabetic. I also have lots of pain issues. (neuropathy, stenosis, etc.) One of the meds I use is a prescription drug called Tramadol. I take 6 a day. It doesn't eliminate the pain, but it brings it within bearable levels. Compared to opiates and the like it's quite mild, but it does have a withdrawal component. It take 540 pills over a 90 day period. According to the new controlled substance regs, I will now be allowed only 90 pills over a 90 day period. I will eithr face a future filled with pain, or claim a more severe problem than I actually have. In addition, the orthopedic surgeon that I have used in the past, has dropped out. His partners have gone strictly cash and carry. Oh well, I'm a very old guy. I won't have to put up with this nonsense too much longer.
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  • Posted by editedforbias 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Jan

    I feel for your situation. But everyone has a different breaking point. For many many doctors that have put up with becoming paper pushers and accountants for insurance, becoming a robot and mouthpiece of government health distribution is a step too far.

    The government is too big and has gone too far. I am hopeful that most great doctors understand this and are making the point clear. I also hope that under a freer system, many will return. See off shore hospital ships below.
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  • Posted by editedforbias 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Blaming doctors like the rest of us, WE let the looters do this to us. They sponge off of our ability to produce. Organizations built to represent us (AMA in this case) become tools for lobbying and compromise not for patient care.

    A compromise between right and wrong, is always evil.
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  • Posted by editedforbias 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Absolutely dead on. Doctors are some of the most independent thinkers and highly valued workers in society. I actually am hoping that they not only stop working, but start saying why. First they turned doctors into accountants and now they are turning them into robots or slaves.

    I knew a Doctor that gave up and now runs two McDonald's. Irony not withstanding.
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  • Posted by editedforbias 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Jan,

    You are not quite there. If you can fight to swim with an anvil on you, all you do is ask them to add more weight. These looters will only stop when the economy collapses. They rely on the best among us to find a way. As long as we keep finding a way to survive, we only feed their power and need for more.

    Once you learn that our constant ability to navigate and find a way is the source of their power, you understand why so many want to stop feeding the machine.
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's quite a career change. We had a wonderful young Anglican priest until a few months ago. The old biddies drove him away. :(
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  • Posted by matchpoint2009 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agree. The doctors I know are being buried in a mountain of paperwork, to jump through the hoops of insurance (including Medicaid and Medicare) requirements in order to get paid. Electronic Medical Records are a nightmare, requiring hours of time. Practices are being bought by hospitals, as doctors abandon private practices they can no long afford. They have become paid laborers, with a quota. They are tired and beaten down. Many are seeking an alternative career, or are retiring.

    I RARELY hear any of them speak of the joy of practicing medicine anymore. .

    The comment I am responding to is spot on.
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  • Posted by joverway 10 years, 3 months ago
    As a retired hospital pharmacist specialist who worked closely with many physicians, I have 3 of the best throw in the towel due to governmental interference with their practice. One became frustrated with the need to justify his so much of his medical expertise to Medicare, Medicaid, insurance companies, auditors, etc. that he closed his practice and signed up as a civilian doc. in a military outpatient clinic where his most of his paperwork is done by others and he can go home after putting in an 8 hour shift.
    Another closed his practice to work in a research clinic where his new position isolates him from the Feds (for now).

    My current family practitioner is going to retire early (he is in mid-50s) and close his office this year because he has had to hire an extra employee to transcribe his "paper charting" to conform to the electronic medical record requirements. This added burden was his personal "last straw".

    These men and other physicians I know are knowledgeable thinkers, diagnosticians and practitioners of the art and science of Medicine. They are most reluctant to become slaves of protocols and other forms of "cookie cutter medicine" that politicians and bureaucrats are so eager to impose on then.

    Back in the 60s when Medicare was being debated AR wrote an article entitled "The Forgotten Man in Medicine". As we look at the gutting of sound medical practice today we can see that she could not have been more prophetic.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 3 months ago
    The prior thread that I read this morning was titled, "How hard do you work?" and extolled people for putting in the minimum effort required to keep themselves afloat. Now I pop onto this thread and see doctors lambasted for not working more, longer, harder.

    I think that I will reply to both threads here.

    I like money. I would like to have more money. I would like to not have to scrimp and scrape to make ends meet. But money is not the reason that I work, and work hard. There is more allure in the challenge of making the world a different place, of changing things, than there is in money. In spite of the lampreys attached to and feeding off of my company, I will continue to try to make it grow and flourish - because we have already changed healthcare in some small ways, and are capable of doing more. That is why it is worthwhile for me to work hard...and why it is worthwhile for doctors to continue in their practices. The people they care for are real.

    Yes, trying to provide good medicine or trying to do something better than anyone else can do it with the current regulatory restrictions is like trying to swim the English channel with an anvil tied to your ankle. Yes, we could all do better jobs without this additional burden. But in the meantime, there are people all over the world receiving better healthcare because of my efforts. There are friends and neighbors receiving essential health care because doctors are still working, because doctors have not given up - yet.

    If I knew a better country to go to where we could work more effectively, I would be going head-to-head with the president and co-founder of my company over moving there. But there is no such country; I peruse the net regularly to check on this datum. The US is still the best place to be.

    Sucks.

    Jan
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  • Posted by $ Your_Name_Goes_Here 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He's right tho... read the Hippocratic oath. Care of the patient comes first, period. I don't believe it mentions anything about their insurance status. ;-) Government screwed things up by getting into the insurance business to begin with. Like a cancer, Government has put more and more people into a "single payer" system (Medicaid) which does not fully pay for the services the customer obtains. We all know what that means - the rest of us get to pay for it in the form of higher medical costs, since there's no such thing as a free lunch.

    Is it the doctors' fault? I personally don't think so. They are unfortunately caught in the pinch, and I don't blame the ones who are saying "screw it"...
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 10 years, 3 months ago
    My son is graduating from residency in a few months and has started the interview process for a real gig, so to speak. He will hear from the old-timers about the good old days of medicine, but probably never know a world without Federal micromanagement of his career.
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