I don't think the government should force people to be vaccinated. On the other hand, that doesn't mean that institutions, including private and public cannot establish standards for the safety of the people who attend. I have no problem with saying that if you want to go to a public school you have to have certain vaccinations.

Your alternatives is to find a private school that doesn't require them, home school, or start your own private school which can advertise that vaccinations are not required -- if a lot of people agree with you, you'll have lots of students.

I think they can force these kinds of things at public institutions but shouldn't for private (i.e. private or home schooled kids), but I agree with root1657 when he says people should have a choice. On the other hand, your choice ends where mine begins and I think communicable diseases make this line blurry.

I can see that a lot of people are using this thread to try to debate the pros/cons of vaccines. First off...this isn't the venue/medium to solve those issues. However, I have seen in many similar threads all around the internet people who rarely post, or have never posted, show up to promote vaccines. If I don't recognize the name of the poster I always think of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bYAQ-ZZ...

I have been involved in the study of vaccines and developmental disorders for about a decade now. I've been involved, firsthand, in studies by the biggest developmental disorder research group in the world and have learned a great deal about vaccines. Let me tell you that a vast majority of people have absolutely no clue what they are talking about regarding vaccines - not a clue in the world. Frankly, it scares me to see that. What good is informed consent when nobody's informed?

So, start another thread to debate whether or not vaccines are completely safe and effective. This thread is about force, as applied by government, to subject citizens to medical treatment. If you think that deciding if your government should apply force depends on whether or not you agree with the premises...check your premises.

Thanks,,,

I didn't mean to demean you, I said it the way I did to make a point. Sorry if it came across that way.

It would have certainly meant something for a teacher to think well of you...and if money was tight in your family, it would mean that you - as a child - would be able to contribute to the family's welfare.

Jan

That I can understand and appreciate even though I have certain disagreements with your position. I just don't see the point in demeaning people for making a decision based on their positions of right and wrong.

More like some rich US citizen kid who has extensive international travel -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact...

Consistently amazed by the knee jerk hostility toward "illegals" from outside the US here in the Gulch, while more accurately questioning many "illegal" activities done here (in the US) - assuming not being done by an already "illegal".

My post was just to point out that there's other ways. And also that there may be other explanations for what we see today.

I personally think what our culture does today is asinine, but I don't go around like these liberals saying that everyone has to do it my way, even though I think it's best and see the benefits. Which brings me to the point about the whole vaccination thing, that these guys are doing, namely, "thou shalt or else".

Of course working to have a particular lifestyle a personal choice! But ALL the consequences of it must also be accepted - including less time with your child/ren.
By quoting Spock, are you saying his statement is correct?

how come you got it right away and the PTB "never" did? Can we say "budget"?

Yes. That is fair - a personal voucher to award to a kid you thought was deserving. Great idea!

Jan

me neither.
that, or they're afraid to ask us.

I always argued at the private school where I worked that I should get a "teacher discount" - the teachers who had kids enrolled in the school got a discount on tuition. I wanted one which I could then give to any child I wished.
I argued that for 20 years and never won it. Everyone seemed to be pretending not to understand my point!

Reminds me of when mandatory fluoride in toothpaste was a communist plot.

News is reporting that tuberculosis is showing increases in the United States and hinting that it’s due to the increases in illegal immigration. Only hinting because you'd be tagged a racist if you just came out and said it.

My understanding, subject to more knowledgeable input, is that hospitals are one of the easiest places to catch something contagious. It makes sense to me.

Yes, your doc would say that.
Great ass covering, doc! How are you at brown nosing?
Cui bono.

Keeping your kids at home is not the same as home schooling.

Here is the transcript of an interview on the subject that hits on a lot of the misleading info about the Disney outbreak. Granted it is from a biased site, but all sites have bias. Use your mind and google.
http://www.naturalnews.com/049320_Suzann...

Isn't working to have a more affluent life style a personal choice? One that I might make to give me a happier life?

At the risk of being tagged with one of your all purpose catch phrases (public Petri dishes, kiddy prison) you make your decisions and I'll make mine. If your decisions commits your kids to kiddy home prison, that’s your decision. Make it and live with it. Quit your griping about something that is in the public good with, admittedly some bad results. Per Spock; "The good of the many outweighs the good of the few".

If it wasn’t for vaccinations we’d still have the worry and sometimes pain of polio, German measles, etc. Just because you disagree doesn't make me an irresponsible parent. That's just your opinion and like belly buttons, everyone has one.

Cars cause thousands of deaths every year. So should we protest against and ban them? Call them Urban Assault Vehicles? Tag anyone that drives irresponsible?

There are a maximum of 10 vaccines required for kindergarten according to:
http://vaccines.procon.org/view.resource...
How do you get to 35?

My kids are all vaccinated. My wife and I are up to date because of a trip to Africa last year. Why? Because it is healthy.

I wear my seat belt too, because it is a good idea, but the seat belt law is stupid...except for minors.

Not sure about this one. Not getting vaccinated is dumb, and just puts more burden on others. Not sure about a law.

What it always boils down to is government control. In this case, the parents are demanding THIER rights to vaccinate their child. THEIR RIGHTS??? What I see & hear is "I care more about MY rights then the safety of my child."
Bring your unvaccinated kid anywhere [home schooled even] and if he/she has measels and passes it on YOU should be liable for the damage done to every other child/person.
When "My rights" infringes on the rights of others,by NOT vaccinating your brat, you are a danger to society.
This is one time I feel government control IS the right thing to do. Forcing the self-righteous parents to vaccinate is constructive, logical, practical and efficient.
If I had a day care center, DON'T bring your unvaccinated kid to my premises.
Measels KILLS and you don't get autism from vaccinating.
Get a life and think of your kids safety FIRST and not your [in this case] selfish pride in damanding YOUR rights superceding and overshadowing your own flesh & blood --- YOUR CHILDS LIFE.

This law applies to children who are home-schooled, too.

I love it! Somebody is going to see that and it will make a difference. I keep wearing my dollar sign necklace. Nobody has gotten it yet.