American Cops Just Killed More People in March than the UK Did in the Entire 20th Century
Posted by Zenphamy 9 years ago to Government
I'd decided to not post every Police killing this last month. I'll just do monthly rates now.
One of my earlier posts on the subject showed that police during the first part of the year were killing Americans at a rate of 3 per day, but during March, they out did themselves again. They're now up to nearly 4 per day.
This travesty has to stop. Arrest us, give us our trials--we don't deserve the Police State's Death Penalty.
"Just last month, in the 31 days of March, police in the United States killed more people than the UK did in the entire 20th century. In fact, it was twice as many; police in the UK only killed 52 people during that 100 year period.
According to the report by ThinkProgess, in March alone, 111 people died during police encounters — 36 more than the previous month. As in the past, numerous incidents were spurred by violent threats from suspects, and two officers were shot in Ferguson during a peaceful protest. However, the deaths follow a national pattern: suspects were mostly people of color, mentally ill, or both.
This high number in March increased the average for police killings from every 8.5 hours, to nearly 1 police killing every 6.5 hours in the US."
One of my earlier posts on the subject showed that police during the first part of the year were killing Americans at a rate of 3 per day, but during March, they out did themselves again. They're now up to nearly 4 per day.
This travesty has to stop. Arrest us, give us our trials--we don't deserve the Police State's Death Penalty.
"Just last month, in the 31 days of March, police in the United States killed more people than the UK did in the entire 20th century. In fact, it was twice as many; police in the UK only killed 52 people during that 100 year period.
According to the report by ThinkProgess, in March alone, 111 people died during police encounters — 36 more than the previous month. As in the past, numerous incidents were spurred by violent threats from suspects, and two officers were shot in Ferguson during a peaceful protest. However, the deaths follow a national pattern: suspects were mostly people of color, mentally ill, or both.
This high number in March increased the average for police killings from every 8.5 hours, to nearly 1 police killing every 6.5 hours in the US."
According to court records, Larsen was a convicted felon with drug, weapons, traffic, and hunting violations..."
This fellow drew a .22 rifle on the deputy after he crashed his truck. How many of the incidents were initiated by the deceased? I'll try to check my way through the 111 and report my findings.
Professional policing started in the US shortly after the time of Peele in London that originated what is known in policing as the Pellian Principles of law enforcement sometime in the 1820's-1830's.
The numbers for the UK, China, etc, I wouldn't advocate, but the ones for the US appear to pretty certain.
Edit: spelling
If we take guns away from our Cops, like Bobbies, how will that tame the south and west sides of Chicago? If we prosecute and civilly sue them until they are intimidated into a no shoot policy, how will the bad guys respond? What if Police just decide not to patrol the bad parts of town? Problem solved! No police shootings, no Police in danger, and no legal consequences in the toughest parts of town.
Another stat that if find interesting is the number of Americans killed in Chicago, a gun free safe zone, during and compared to the Iraq war.
As horrendous as war is, it was safer to be there than many places back home.
1) FACT: UK = 64.1 million
1a) FACT: Cops in UK do not carry guns so DUH...
2) FACT: USA = 318.9 million
Aside from the FACT there are 4.9 times as many people here makes that statistic even more blatently worthless.
Next if you look at 5 US Cities, Chicago, Washington D.C., New York, Los Angeles and Detrtoi and remove their statistics the USA is the safest place in the worled for EVERONE of every race.
The ironic part is these massively dangerous cities have the toughest Gun Control laws in this country.
WHY...BECAUSE CRIMINALS IGNORE THE LAWS!!!!
These gun control laws are ONLY FOLLOWED BY THE PEOPLE WHO YOU DO NOT NEED TO WORRY ABOUT INT HE FIRST PLACE!!!!
Next time you burt out useless statistics like this put some REAL context into it. Compare apples to apples.
This report has exactly nothing to do with gun control, unless you want to talk about getting the guns of cops under control.
Of all the police shootings that resulted in death of a perp, there are remarkably FEW that were not justified.
But hey if you don't like cops, just send them a message saying please never respond to me when I call for help, Protect yourself, and take the perp to court and sue them then.
BJS did the math and – well maybe I should turn it over to them again:
In the aggregate, the two programs collected very similar counts between 2003 and 2005. A total of 1,095 law enforcement homicides were reported to DCRP, and 1,082 justifiable homicides by police were reported to SHR That is 1.6% error rate. You cannot even get your Burger at McDonalds correct 98.4% of the time. That is an AWESOME number of RIGHT choices, made under fire and in a split second of time.
Nice that YOU can armchair quarterback in hind sight every shooting out there, and say how horrible they are. Maybe you need to go out become a cop THEN tell us all about it.
You want to whine about 350 citizens killed, based on the stats only 5.6 were errors and unjustified. You want to REALLY complain about something, why don't you go out and rail against the thousands killed by drunk kids EVERY YEAR because their parents were too STUPID and IGNORANT to teach their kids responsibility.
Go find an issue that is REALLY significant and stop haranguing about cops who all things considered to an OUTSTANDING job day in and day out, risking their lives every minute of the day for less pay than you would probably ever consider working for, and for people like you who do nothing but complain about the job they do.
You're correct that there are 'remarkably' few that are not justified. But in the last few years, as we see with yesterday's news and video release (taken by a bystander) of the N. Carolina cop shooting, that without the help of a bystander's video that the cop that claimed that he feared for his life and in all probability would have gotten away with it.
What drunk drivers have to do with this post is way beyond me. Please stick to the issues of the post. That is police killing citizens rather than ensuring that they receive Due Process.
As to cops day in and day out risk to their lives--they don't even rate in the top ten jobs in this country for hazards.
Check your premises. This is strike two.
When you have people like the ones in Ferguson who target cops for no reason, and just shoot them your at risk, My premise is not wrong at all, or the ones in New York. My premise is not wrong. Not strike two.
How much risk is your job? I know my biggest daily risk is stubbing my toe walking to my home office from my kitchen with a cup of coffee.
My point with the drunk driving kids is simple. Please pick a REAL issue. Your railing against cops is really unwarranted.
Yes the NC cop was most certainly wrong, and that would have been proven without the bystanders video. I am also willing to bet there is a LOT more to this storey than a simple random shooting by ONE crazy cop.
Jan
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Strike 1.
That being said, I hope more police are paying attention to the concerns of citizens about some departments being too ready to storm into nearly every situation in full riot gear, guns blazing. Engaging citizens in dialogue helps to keep the level of violence down, and the trust in law enforcement up.
The latest numbers I've read indicate that police in street shootings with citizens, miss some 60% of their shots and of those they hit, they only kill some 30-35% of the time. So here we have a known number (⩰ 350 since 1/1/2015. The records of death I refer to are @ http://killedbypolice.net) of citizens killed, some armed, some unarmed, some justified, some not.
That, by historical records would indicate that they've shot at and hit 1,000 citizens since 1/1/2015 and have shot at and missed 1,667. Nobody tracks those numbers missed and just wounded, except some police organizations and one Phd at Univ of Mo. Admittedly, a 3 month period is insufficient for accurate measures, but still indicate a horrific situation.
I saw a sign a black man was holding. "Mothers should not have to worry about their kids being shot while robbing a store." "Black Lives Matter."
THAT mentality is where the real problem lies. Fix that and you fix the rest.
I can see it now. Guy robbing store exits after shooting the owner, Cop rolls up in his car, strolls up to the criminal, no gun drawn and says, "I am sorry you feel you have to rob this store, how about we have a talk about this. We need to reason out your actions and how this will affect you and your family."
Sorry if I were a cop, and a perp exits a store with a gun, I would already have a bead on his forehead. Order him to stop and drop to the ground and any hesitation on the pat of the perp my .45 would stop him and drop him to the ground.
You want to negotiate with thugs and criminals there is an AWESOME movie that should be the first training video negotiators see.
The PROPER way to negotiate with terrorists, and criminals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oKwg6W0...
You cite another problem that also needs fixing, but ending the drug war is more to the point.
If the risk outweighs the reward they stop, i.e. shoot them.
Thank goodness the idiot cop was just charged with murder and is in jail under no bail and probably in protective isolation. I would much prefer to see him in general population justifying his action to others than getting special treatment from his brothers.
I saw that video too. I can't imagine any preceding events that could mitigate that killing. So far it looks like an atrocity to me. Murder.
Regards,
O.A.
None of that sounds like death sentence type crimes to me. There's just too many of these.
Ahmmm, Ban Police ?????
I don't see Pelosi and Feinstein yelling how scary the police are
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For that fact more people were killed by blunt objects then either one of these causes. Over zealousness can cause far more problems, especially when facts are distorted, or bent to fit a specific objective.
You might want to review the records that are available prior to implying such. These are not made up numbers. These are Americans where the Bill of Rights guarantees a Due Process.
I am not going to fault the officers for those who violently resist arrest - aka Ferguson, Missouri.
That's true of any citizen. If you pull a gun and point it at me, you deserve what you get.
I'm no proponent of conspiracy theories but the societal changes over the past decade have begun to mirror "Atlas Shrugged" in so many ways that I have begun to have fear for my children and grandchildren. What kind of world are we leaving them? There was a time when each generation could feel that their children would be better off than they were. i worry that this is no longer the case.
I would have given the post more credence if the word murder had been used or the number of incidents broken down by types of incidents,
As us the figures are too loosely defined to be of much use. Something like the children killed by guns statistics which decline to state how many in incidents between criminals or the age of children which counts all up to 21 years of age.
No substance no meaning.
As for the rest of it the differences are between what they say with little difference if any between what they do. Ergo Sum. The two make up the Government Party and work in concert with each other to remain in power.
To change your local police problem use the recall. If you don't have the recall you are a slave state.
Strike 1.
Any person working for the government in any position has one and only one over-riding responsibility, and that is to protect the natural, individual rights of every citizen they encounter.
I learned to salute way too many years ago, and I'll be damned if I'll ever salute again much less 'serve the party'.
Usually when police misconduct is involved there is much more than killed which is not by definition necessarily a bad thing. As opposed to murder - except for those who mis state the Ten Commandments.
strike 2
Stike 3
nothing wrong with that attitude as long as you match it to the context of the times and who or whom is doing the interpreting.
The Bible and other good books of other religions are always a good source of background to explain how things came to be. Another example is 'afraid of the dark syndrome.'
It's high time the marketplace started forming protection agencies willing and able to stop the police. We're going to need them soon. In some places we already do.
http://peacekeeper.org
I came across this when following a link to discover live-streaming video recording apps for a 'smartphone'.
EDIT: describe PEACEKEEPER using the explanation from their website.
The Peacekeeper emergency response app helps you protect your home and community.
Create networks of friends and family to guard your neighbourhood from fire, theft, medical emergencies, and more!
Txs for that referral.
Also I refer you to the news of yesterday of the N. Carolina cop just charged with murder because of a bystanders video. Until that video was released, the cop claimed that he feared for his life and the video shows the unarmed suspect running away and being shot in the back 8 times from many feet away and the cop planting evidence in an attempt to back up his false claim.
Would shooting more perhaps result in less opportunity, less confrontation, less crime? Never mind, let's not go there? Why are there so few shootings in North Korea?
Nor did I hear much comment when Jackboot Janet Von Flamethrower Reno turned a simple arrest into a case of mass child murder. Beyond that their claim of automatic weapons does not agree with the commonly published photos. Most of which were semi-automatic.
Where was citizen responsibility when the bullies of Columbine were getting away with assault and battery?
Or Springfield Oregon
Or......
2. USA has 6x the population.
3. Maybe we should punish criminals rather than coddle them so they wouldn't be motivated to commit crime.
4. Propaganda titles like this on are needed for incorrect arguments.
PS - Arm the American people like the Swiss and the problem will solve itself!
I'm not sure I get your item #4.
For your PS, arming yourself against a cop is sure to get you killed.
I think respect is something that has to be earned. At least in my life, that's been true.
I really wish I saved the video I made. I might have to do it again.
I had read some liberal media dribble about how dangerous guns were.
I have a nice custom Saiga 12, semi-automatic 12 gauge shotgun with a 20 round drum. I loaded it, and placed it on my porch at 11:30 am one day.
I then proceeded to call it names, throw garbage at it, and really get nasty with my insults.
Then about 12:30 the mail person delivered the mail, and at 3:45pm the bus load of kids came buy.
To my complete surprise and amazement, that shotgun did not shoot anyone, not even me for being a real jerk to it.
Based on the liberal media there should have been a blood-bath on my street because after all guns are dangerous and a fully loaded shotgun with 20 rounds would be a real menace to society if left alone.
But nothing happened. Go figure, maybe guns are not really dangerous at all.
I posted some interesting statistics gathered by the FBI, and to my amazement, death by any and all guns barely broke the list of how people in this country die in totals.
But the TOTAL murder by ALL types of firearms in 2011 was 8,583.
The Total death by all other types of weapons, WAS 5,668
The biggest surprise was that death by guns, the MAJORITY were self-inflicted.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cri...
http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail...
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61...
•Number of deaths: 2,596,993
•Death rate: 821.5 deaths per 100,000 population
•Life expectancy: 78.8 years
•Infant Mortality rate: 5.96 deaths per 1,000 live births
Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
•Heart disease: 611,105
•Cancer: 584,881
•Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 149,205
•Accidents (unintentional injuries): 130,557
•Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,978
•Alzheimer's disease: 84,767
•Diabetes: 75,578
•Influenza and Pneumonia: 56,979
•Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 47,112
•Intentional self-harm (suicide): 41,149
Look at Ferguson: totally justified, but to this day people are threatening the cop.
Re Iraq and Afgh, that is naive; there, the "police" is a much broader term...many more people are kiilled without any reason.
I might suggest that you are no Objectivist and fail to understand the rationale of non-initiatory force. These killings were not running gun battles, (a significant number were un-armed) with roving banditos and don't include the guy choked to death for selling 'loosies' or the 96 year old man killed with a taser.
Another, the use of statistics with total disregard for context is a scare tactic used to influence emotion in place of proper judgment and is easily seen through, especially by people on this site.
All that said, I once attempted to join the police force about 25 years ago. I didn't make it and I was under the impression, by the questions on the application and in the interview and in the general attitude that they were looking for people who were willing to enforce the law as it is written and not as it would be right. To follow orders and never question them. My respect for the police has never been the same and I always have that "big brother is watching you" feeling any time the police are around.
The point being that the problem is not the position of power that we put these people in, the problem is the power that we give to that position.
You continue to make the assumption that cops generally kill without sufficient cause; I am not willing to make that assumption. As has been noted here, most killings are in big cities where racial tension and aggression against cops is the greatest and - in some cases - where gun control has been imposed.
Obviously, we can both be concerned about those cases where cops are out of line.
It is the cop who has the duty to assume that people he meets are entitled to be left alone until proven otherwise. This is called Due Process. The cop swore an oath to uphold it. If he thinks he is too important to live by that oath, he should quit and get a job he's willing to do honorably.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/04/...
http://dcpost.org/florida-law-officer-pl...
Why 27 People A Day Die From Air Pollution in Tehran
Population of Tehran 7.8 million
Death rate USA as a percentage of population by cop per day. 3/318900000 = .0000000009
Death rate to polution Tehran per day by beathing = 27/7800000 = .0000006
Looks like living in Tehran just bereathing is VERY dangerous.
FBI stats on how people die in the USA is very interesting. More people die by hammers than die by cops every year in the USA.
Do police get up in the morning and tell themselves they are going to shoot or kill someone today? I think it's a pretty thankless job anymore, especially when we don't even enforce our laws today. Bad cops (South Carolina yesterday) need to go of course, but I would guess the number of bad cops are much smaller than the number of bad people in most other occupations.
Why do we make it more difficult for police to do what we pay them to do? One reason is because we allow false premises like, "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" to spread around the country. That liar thug that started that has not been punished, and it was allowed to spread, actually, around the world.
If white/blacks/Chinese are the predominate race in a given city then I would hope they would elect people that would hire people similar to them that understand their idiosyncrasies, but ultimately still up hold the law. After all isn't it still the majority that rules? Or is it?
Yet the oath puts the Constitution first, and orders second. One hopes a few who actually believe that will join the force soon.
Its OBVIOUSLY a problem with too many guns.
Its the guns fault.
It is the final solution. (foreboding music rises)
Banish the guns and eternal world peace will ensue.
(yes, it is sarcasm.)
The fact that not all of the bad cops are dealt with according to the law has normalised this widespread disrespect of the law, not helped by the volume of laws/statutes/acts constantly being churned out by every layer of government.
The police have become customers of military hardware suppliers because they cannot continue to pay dividends to the shareholders otherwise.
Edit: the military hardware suppliers paying dividends to their shareholders.
Yes. Exactly.
But then what? We lose, history is recorded by the winners. We win, what then? I believe it was Ayn Rand that wrote (though I haven't been able to find it again to verify) that the constitution could not have been written at any other time in history. Not prior to nor since then have all the conditions been right to accomplish what the founders did. The opportunity, the geography, but most importantly the philosophy. And that is what doesn't exist now, at least not in great enough numbers. Yet. If we had a war now, and we managed to survive, we would not even be able to rebuild what we have much less the free country that we so desire. There are just not enough people that can agree upon how it should be rebuilt.
But I think we have another option. And we're, in a way, doing it right now. Or we should be. Discussing the ideas, educating ourselves and others in the philosopy that is the root of the freedom that I think most people want (can't say all) but so many don't understand it's cause. This is the movement that must grow in order to save the good ol USA. It's the only way. And if there were enough people with the proper philosophy to rebuild the country after a war then there wouldn't need to be a war in the first place.