you no longer can hold your own values in America
you are no longer able to chose to exercise your values in America. You now run the risk of being forced to become a hypocrite by the government. Whether you agree with gay marriage or not, this baker should not be forced to work for people he chooses not too.
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Check this out: "American Christian Evangelicals Celebrate Uganda's 'Kill the Gays' Bill
By Austin ClineDecember 6, 2012"
From: http://atheism.about.com/b/2012/12/06/am...
Yup, it's an atheist site but that doesn't stop them from telling the truth.
Sure was. The christians of that era even had a special catechism for the slaves.
from: "http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/05/28/a-catechism-from-slavery/
"HE THAT WILL NOT WORK SHALL NOT EAT."
Imagine! Something from christanity that some will think Ayn Rand said! Of course this was for slaves.
::raises hand::
But, on the other hand, I still think Tina Fey is cute... on the outside.
No... Your life isn't changed.
You are simply imagining what MIGHT happen.
The devil can quote scripture to his own end... ever hear that one?
There were "Christians of that era" who had never even been to the United States, let alone the antebellum South.
And I've had enough of your cowardly snide, and POINTLESS ATTACKS.
Exactly what has this to do with being able to hold your own values in America... other than demonstrating the attack on Christianity as part of the attack on values?
I understand now, that you're simply projecting when you declare me as lying. Your stock in trade is nothing but lies.
Once again, I've run out of troll food. I'm done letting you drag me away from the topic on this pointless argument.
I get it; you hate America, you hate Christians, you hate heterosexuals, you hate values, you hate God... I GET IT.
Now go play with the other children on the Huffington post or daily kaos.
I think that our current political system is so jaded and fixed that Objectivists are reluctant to join in. I should point out that Rand was negative about Libertarians. http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?p...
I think the most telling point is that there is a whole group of libertarians who are essentially anarchist. While they do not condone force, they neither are willing to protect property rights. Objectivists demand property rights be enforced. It is a moral basis for any society.
We maybe should start a new post on this-might get more Objectivists to comment. I'll let you do the honors.
now to your wife. what a trying time for your family and very scary. I hope she is doing well now. Major traumatic events in marriages try the marriage.The factthat you both worked through that difficult time says alot about both of you. I admire your courage.
You said when you first came into the site that you were vehemently apolitical. I remember challenging you on this. If A is A, it's in anyone's rational self interest to understand what's happening not only in their world but other people's worlds as far as politics. The McCain/Obama dilemma was frightening. IT speaks to where we have moved in this country. Left of center to far left. But also there is the ruling class. We have become so fat and happy with our lives we have ignored important freedoms that have been removed from the people to a few fat and happy political bastards. The exact opposite of the founder's intentions in setting up our very delicate Constitution and Bill of Rights (certain ones). Now we are enjoying the consequences of our lazy ass protection of rights. It's why I left the country. No one can hang their hat on one issue to vote. Even if it is a mighty important hat in your closet currently. Because tomorrow you will want to wear another hat and find you are not allowed to. just trip the light fantastic with me on that hashed metaphor
I'm already in a group that would be executed by the Taliban and as far as I'm concerned I have no desire to tolerate their nonsense.
Hows that for how Gay Marriage has changed my life?
It's way different for a person in business taking remuneration than a slave.
Clue: Gays aren't buying and selling bakers. They are buying a cake, just like anyone else.
Looks to me like they raise money for charity like the Shriners do. Certainly different costumes but it generally looks like a bunch of levity to raise money. Check out the reality.
"Folsom Street Events Donates Largest Check to Local and National Charities
With $358,779 Check, Agency Clears $5.2 Million Mark for its 30-Year Giving History
The Board of Directors of Folsom Street Events announced charitable giving in the amount of $358,779 today. Rae Goldman, Board President, said, "2013 was a good year for Folsom Street Events and our charities. We are enormously grateful to our sponsors, beneficiaries, beverage partners, and the leather/fetish community for the ongoing support. Given the state of the economy, we feel that this check represents a major milestone in our 30 year giving history."
2. in fact, there can be no such thing as "invulnerable" because A is A, and things have properties.
3. A man who is invulnerable would NEED nothing-hence invulnerable. we acquire things because we are vulnerable. we need food, shelter, air to breathe....we need art. concepts to help us gain knowledge and revitalize our sense of life. merry christmas, bambiB
Did he sit down and ask if the two homosexuals were homosexual and planning on getting married? I'm pretty sure they *told* him the situation.
And I'm pretty sure that fornication is not quite as bad on the sin scale as homosexuality.
A couple who "jumped the gun" can't really be equated with homosexuality.
Why am I forced to bend knee to the Green religion? Why am I denied decent lightbulbs because of the faith of the Earth worshippers?
Why wait? You wanted to know if there was life after death... go find out. I'll wait here.
Again, your reply has nothing to do with what I said in the message to which you reply.
I repeat my question, what effect has vorpal blade had on your life?
Are you studying at the Bobo school of rhetoric, now?
It has been historically and tragically mis-attributed to Marie Antoinette, who at the time of the revolution was attempting to help make reforms to improve the lot of the poor.
Now I'll demonstrate my own idiocy in 2008 (before I self-identified as Objectivist). My wife was dealing with cancer (a tumor on her appendix) that was incorrectly diagnosed as endometriosis. She had been dealing with enormous pain that she rarely complained about. She went in for non-invasive endometriosis surgery where the surgeon, after burning out bits of endometrial tissue, found the tumor. 2 hours into the surgery, the doctor came out and told me that her husband (also a surgeon) was free to come in and remove the tumor. I consented, and it was removed. Many hours later, my wife returned to me after what seemed like hours of fear.
At the time, her employer covered every penny of her medical bills.
McCain, if you recall, was proposing a $5,000 tax credit for medical expenses. I "felt" that a tax credit for medical expenses would result in employers ceasing to offer health insurance (in hindsight, I see that free-market, non-employer based health insurance was always an option). I "felt" that employer provided healthcare was moral. I was wrong.
To be fair, I was also smitten with Tina Fey at the time (geek that I am). Needless to say, I voted for Obama in 2008 for these 2 reasons alone. They were stupid. Tina Fey destroyed Palin through satire, and anti-McCain was, by default, pro-Obama. How many of us (ignorant or emotional voters) "really" knew that Obama was the worse of 2 evils?
My wife didn't falter. She voted for McCain, and for the first time, we cancelled each other's votes (not that it mattered - we're in a blue state).
We had a bump in our marriage after all of this (including her hysterectomy that she planned and discussed with others before me, but where I took nearly a month off of work to care for her). We reconciled everything, and improved our health and our philosophical values in spite of the significant (maybe enormous by other measures) emotional pain.
I did not vote for Obama again.
Had I known then, what I know now, I might have scrutinized Obama's healthcare plan and seen that it was just the natural extension of FDR's communist infiltrated regime favoring socialism (yes, read Harry Hopkins was a Soviet sympathizer, and (not to put too fine a point on it), spy), and rejected it outright, as every U.S. Citizen (including Objectivists) should have.
Then again, how many of us really knew who/what Obama was?
Yes, I regret it. This is all the more reason for a 3rd party. I'm pretty damned smart, but intelligence has nothing to do with knowledge or philosophy.
A Libertarian political party infused with Objectivist philosophy "should" be a force to be reckoned with.
Please point out any errors in that conclusion.
Pompadour??
And of the toppers, maybe half a dozen or so are of two identical objects. out of almost 30,000.
Which part of "off-the-shelf" are you incapable of comprehending?
One does not affiliate oneself as. One affiliates oneself *with*.
You can proclaim yourself a Catholic Bishop... that doesn't make it so. The Westboro Baptists can proclaim themselves Christians... that doesn't make it so. And even if they, in all other ways, *were* Christian, what they are doing is immoral and a sin according to Christianity, and treason according to the Constitution.
But, thanks. I'll take the Westboro Baptist Church, sure. Cause they haven't flown any planes into skyscrapers lately or... ever.
Bad as they are, they haven't begun stoning women for being raped.
Bad as they are, as much as they hate "fags", they haven't executed any yet.
Now, there's an even money chance that you're going to try turning this into an argument about how not alllll Moslems are the same as those advocating Jihad, to which I might reply that, unlike the Moslem world, American Christians roundly condemn the Westboro Baptist Church.
If I want to discuss the relative merits of religion, I'll do it with my Moslem, Hindu, atheist and Christian co-workers.
Now, once again...
STOP STALKING ME!
Imagine a man who was invulnerable. What curb would there be on his natural tendency to acquire… whatever he wanted?
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