Here we go...again...

Posted by MinorLiberator 9 years, 2 months ago to Politics
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Greetings, fellow strikers. I am new to The Gulch. At least this one. I was fortunate to discover the fictional one in 1969. This is my first post, but not my last.

One of the very first posts I read as a new member was on this topic. While it was an informative post from a technical standpoint, I don't think the minutia of IP addresses etc. are really relevant to the issue, and are in fact a (perhaps intentional) distraction.

I believe this article is more to the important points, even more so in that it shows the beginnings of what I felt to be the almost certain classic Clintonian response. I claim no special savant status there, as Clinton damage control responses are as predictable as a bad sitcom.

To be more specific, I believe there is enough evidence, hard, real evidence based on past Clinton scandals to suggest that Hillary knew precisely what she was doing when she set up a private email server, and it had nothing to do with "convenience", and everything to do with knowingly maintaining the secrecy of her correspondence. Note that my use of the term secrecy vs. private is conscious and intentional

Call me a romantic, but I prefer to see things as they can be and should be, not simply the way they are.

What Hillary SHOULD have done is what every other honest employee of an organization, be it government or private, does: for work emails, use the system provided by your employer.

What Hillary did do would be unacceptable for mere mortals, and reeks of someone, again, wanting to keep secrets. Does anyone, except some really naive and trusting people, believe that those 55,000 emails she wants released represent all of the emails the public has a right to see? I really don't think so.

There will be more on this story and other things to post I'm sure. But I think the telling fact in this article is the beginning of the line that the server contains both official and private emails, and golly gee whiz, I'll be the one to decide what's released, and "this server will remain private". It is that last point that we must keep, and have a right to keep, from happening.

(edited for actypo)


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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's right back when and perhaps it truly was in 'the day' singular there was more than one party. I guess the right wing of the left. More a swag than a wag.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 2 months ago
    Greetings MinorLiberator,
    Yes. Round and round we go. I want off this merry go round. The spin is giving me vertigo. This is of course their intent. Keep us off balance and fatigued from constant scandal and we will be easily moved along at the next news cycle, or so they hope.
    Their deceptions are designed to mold us.
    "War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is Strength."
    Good first post. You have initiated quite a lot of good comments too.
    Respectfully,
    O.A.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm new to this site, so don't know if I can post a link here, but I submitted a new post earlier with Judge Napolitano's take on the laws Hillary may/probably/actually broke. He's usually quite excellent, and worth the read.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Of course, because the MSM is liberally-biased and proud of it. And the reason they can say that she hasn't broken any law is because of the fact that we don't know for a fact that she is witholding anything more than the 30K she turned over. Technically, someone is innocent until proven guilty. The problem with that is that there is no way to prove one way or the other without access to all those other emails she _didn't_ turn over. She's under heavy suspicion, but no proof either to exonerate her or incriminate her. So technically, they are correct, even though everyone admits that she broke the spirit of the law.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    At the the risk of being labeled "weightist", "The fat lady hasn't sung yet" (And Hillary never will.) Yes, some privileged Americans are indeed jumping those sharks every day, but think of us as the sharks, and we're starting to jump higher, and chomp harder..."It ain't over..."...
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 2 months ago
    Oh the irony...after they have dismantled the 4th amendment, she wants to keep her email server private.

    Every day I am reminded that America has jumped the shark. Every damn day...
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The scary part of your comment is that it could well be true, or close enough. If one of the highest standards of morality is to do honest work, and to do it to the best of your ability, then THAT is Obama's most serious moral failing. I can't seem to recall a job that I've had where (sometimes) showing up, sitting at my desk, and being simply "present" would have satisfied my employers.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well said. To whatever extent it did exist in Washington DC, the "appearance of impropriety" made a rapid exit in 1993. And I'd wager prior to that, the standard only applied to one of the parties...and I'll give you 3 guesses...etc., etc...
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'd say that's a pretty fair rundown. Say, if Hillary by any long stretch proves stubborn about giving an independent 3rd party access to her server, or the "real" set of the emails themselves, maybe Congress could sanction a "Food for EMails" program, and we can get them from North Korea...just sayin'...
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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Can we say malware, viruses, trojans (not Bill's stash), and every intelligence agency on the planet in there.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago
    I assume it's OK to inject some explicit humor (as opposed to some of the really subtle (ahem) sarcasm that permeates any Clinton-related thread. So, and borrowed from another blogger on a different site, no mine): "At least Bill Clinton's private server was human." Ouch!
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, my career was in MS application development, including the years when Microsoft would provide developers with a box of CD's/DVD's every month containing all kinds of software to try out: development, SDK's, servers. I was primarily a developer, but it helped to have some knowledge of Windows servers etc, so I had a small home lab/MS Server network set up for such a purpose. I once set up a basic Microsoft Exchange ("homebrew") server and played around with email domains etc., and it wasn't even connected to the Internet. Even at that rudimentary level.it was not easy or "convenient". And although I didn't need to actually do ongoing support, backups etc., I read enough about it to know it's eons beyond "convenient: to maintain such a system, especially if it was live and active on the Net. Once again, if it turns out that the reality is Hillary did set up such a server at home, the smell-o-meter just went even beyond "11"...
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  • Posted by XenokRoy 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would agree, but I have worked in positions where my team had government contracts that were some level of secret. Everyone had to have clearance and all devices used for work could only have the work email on them. Other email was restricted from the device.

    Why? Because it was a security to risk that someone might use a personal email for something that should require clearance. If someone were to do so it was grounds for termination and could cost the company the government contract. The double standard is just business as usual for congress persons today
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Please keep us informed of that end of things, and tell us more. The "general" word going around in the MSM is that there was "no law in place 'at the time'" that she broke. I find that extremely difficult to believe..
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  • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Given that he can't be bothered with the daily briefings, maybe he can't be bothered with reading his emails. I mean with golf and keeping up with the basketball teams, what more can we expect?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago
    Remember when all it took was 'the ''appearance of inpropriety?" That begs the question though of what the last word means when the group in question has no morals, values, nor standards as understood by humans. Sorry Terrans.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agreed. I'm not sure which is the more implausible: that Hillary did this for "convenience", or that Obama "just heard it on the news". That latter implies that either: he never got an email from his own Secretary of State (a little doubtful), or, if he did, he failed to notice that it didn't come from State.gov. I don't consider him an accomplished or brilliant man, but c'mon, he can't be that stupid. Survey sez!: They're both lying.

    (edit for typo)
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