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"Why do you need a gun?"

Posted by Non_mooching_artist 9 years, 2 months ago to Pics
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I really like these answers! Use logic on the grabbers. It gets them foaming at the mouth. Highly entertaining! 🔫


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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I do. Because these days it is far far safer than north of the border. Last published percentages for the million US Citizens that live full or part time in Mexico getting killed is 3 per hundred thousand. US in general closer to 4 Texas nearer 5 or 6 and Houston 12 per 100,000. Like anywhere else one stays away from the worst areas which is within 50 miles of the US/Mexico Border and you don't go to any bad parts of town on payday night.

    When I cross the border to the North I go to the bank open the box and get out the permit and the permitted item.

    The rest is propaganda and sensationalist crap based on out of date statistics which WERE at one time accurate during the height of the cartel wars.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In the 1970's I spent time in law enforcement, as a street cop. We learned then the Supreme Court had ruled on the following in the following ways. Police are not required to protect immediately unless they have knowledge in advance. They are or were required to follow up, investigate, make arrests and present same to the court system. The Court ruled citizens were responsible for protecting themselves. I do not know how this has changed in the intervening years. When that department was disbanded I went back into the military where it was safe! That was a federal police department one of (then) only four at that time. You know or should know it as the former Panama Canal Zone the department was installed as part of the Panama Canal Zone Government which along with the Panama Canal Zone Government operated that after the USA built the canal zone and up until the end of the treaty that gave it to Panama at no cost but with a lot of easy to steal funding that continued for some time. Two treaties one transferred title and the other set forth the method of transfer and subsequent responsibilities. One was USA responsibile for defense and security and required to maintain an open waterway for international trade. That led to the Noriega (Cara Pina) invasion when that dictator (one of a long long line of the same) attempted a closure. I don't know if that requriement exists anymore. The rest is history. It went to China then to Netherlands last I heard as financial backers of the locks, new third locks, rebuilt railway, and pumping station with trans continental pipelines. Funny I heard nothing from the eco-freaks about that part. I think Noriega probably executed them if they bothered to show up. LMAO. In any case it's all history...

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  • Posted by Ranter 9 years, 2 months ago
    Because it is better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have one. For the first approximately 100 years of our country, every able-bodied man was automatically a member of the militia and required by law to own a military grade musket. Why do I need a gun? Because it is my duty to have a gun.
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  • Posted by Ibecame 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually to this day I never think of it as being brave (would Dagney think she was being brave for chasing down John Gaults plane?). I do look back and realize how lucky I was in more ways than one. If memory serves me I finally managed to drink some of the coffee out of the third cup. The rest I had to mop from the floor.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    WOW! That is a heck of a story! I have goosebumps from reading it. I'm so glad things ended the way they did, thanks to your cool head. Crazy stuff that people do. And I'm glad the shooter was aware enough to know he was mortal. And that there were two other guys there to grab him!
    I can't imagine that you had more than a few sips in that cup before you had a chance to have any...
    Very brave. My hat is off to you.
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  • Posted by Ibecame 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, it was very scary - later on when I had time to think about it! The long story is that we used to trade "Atlas" batteries, tires, etc with five other stations. That being one of them. I had just pulled in with the bosses Ranchero and when I got out a bullet hit about a foot in front of me on the bosses car. I might have been young but not totally stupid. I jumped through the bed of the Ranchero to the other side. From where I was at it was easy for me to get around behind him by going behind two tire racks and a dumpster. When I got real close I pulled the hammer back. When he heard the noise he turned to look straight into the barrel that was only about 3" away. Hopped up on drugs or not he froze, I took the gun away from him (just a .22 auto) and two guys grabbed him. He had just been about to shoot a pregnant woman that had been trying to hide behind one of the cars. If I remember correctly two people did get shot, but not bad.
    I went in and got my battery and left. The boss was in a hurry to see his girlfriend (soon to be his wife) so he didn't find out about the dent until the next day. The news people never did find out who I was, and maybe that was why it was on the news so long. I put the battery away and poured myself a cup of coffee, but for some reason it kept shaking out of the cup.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I do remember. That must have been a very scary situation to have been in. Amazing. What did you do to stop the guy? Hit him with a wrench?
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Quite right. Notice crime is down now that the people of Chicago and Illinois can arm themselves, as they should have been able to do all along.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "I have one and a carry permit. When I cross the border into the US I get both of them from the safety deposit box. When I prepare to leave they get locked up in the same place. I have no need of one outside the US."

    The above came up in more than one form from more than one individual in more than one discussion. All of which occurred outside the US.

    The two questions from other countries invariably go like this.

    Q. What happed to the US it's such a fascist police state anymore?

    A. The majority of the public voted for it.

    Q. Any chance of a revolution?

    A. No that already took place the other side won.

    Q. But isn't your military supposed to keep that from happening as a last resort?

    A. That was the theory. Yes they did take that oath. But I don't believe they think the public is worth the effort. If so sit would be a counter revolution. You see the majority keep voting to live in a fascist police state because - we are told - after 9/11 they want to feel safe.

    Q. You mean the terrorists won?

    A. To which terrorists are you referring?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not my President. That would be John Galt. Once ObeyMe violated the Constitution he became something entirely different. Once he got elected twice so did the majority of the voting public. When I looked at the hand picked candidates in the recent series of charade elections so did the Government Party. I do NOT serve the party nor does it serve me.

    Show me a Constitutional Centrist otherwise I'm part of the undervote.
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 9 years, 2 months ago
    Two reasons: Federalist Paper 46 which should be a "must read" for all high school students and "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have found the distinction to make an oath to defend the constitution, and not the office of the president, to be the most profound, and deserving of respect from all who have not done so.

    I have many members of my family who have, and have always been proud of that. But for them. Not myself. You put in many years of service, of your life, and for that I have no adequate words to express a profound gratitude, for something I will never understand from a veteran's or currently serving soldier's perspective.

    I will do some reading about what you have written. I'm sure it's an eye opener. Thank you for your well thought out comments also. They have added depth to the discussion.

    Respectfully,
    NMA
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  • Posted by Bob44_ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's worth fighting for for me. You don't need practical suggestions, It says everything about what you want and not having to explain why you choose to exercise your right, not privilege. Since you must be the only person who can read, please explain to our president that the constitution does not make him a dictator.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you for that well written and accurate summation. Some of you were worth those 24 years of serving the Constitution. Many do not realize soldiers take their oath only to that document not to country or population. Absent the Constitution two choices are left.

    If it was set aside illegally then run a legal counter revolution as a sworn duty.

    If it was set aside legally then make you own individual choice on where and how you choose to live.

    Setting it aside either way absolves all members of the military from any further duty except in the first instance.

    Unhappily many in the military ask the question is the country and it's population worth the effort. They see no moves by their leaders and precious little support from the citizens except for the 'paper or plastic have a nice day thanks for serving your country insincerities.' Granted that's not everyone - but it seem s to be a majority judging from their actions on voting day.

    Took me 24 years of lugging a rifle to observe that lesson and a further number of years to let it sink in. There is little purpose in defending a nation that turns it's collective majority back on what the previous writer so eloquently provided.

    little bit of home work. Cycle of Repression as run by a government as opposed to run by a group of rag tag rebels. Key words. Marighella, Uruguay Tupumaros Then think of phrases such as ''never let a good crisis go to waste.'' The originator is one of the street theater candidates in the quadrennial (sp?) big shoow.



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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Doing exactly what? to accomplish your last sentence? Let's hear some practical suggestions

    Try reading the whole Constitution or even just the whole Second Amendment. It says nothing about what you want. It says everything about the reason for allowing citizens to be armed including what they are expected to do in exchange for that privilege. That's called responsibility.

    Moot point. While some were out doing that others flushed our country down the drain. What I suggested is the last raggedy vestiges of what you have left and what you can do at the local level. While you can still take those actions.

    Practically speaking? The Constitution was worth fighting for the citizens? Get real.
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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    and saved to appear on my plusaf.com home page in the future, too!
    Thanks!

    Another 'reply,' btw, is "So, did Rosa Parks NEED to sit in the front of the bus, too?"
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  • Posted by Ibecame 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Woa do I disagree with you because I would be dead now several times, if I had not carried a gun. Four times I have pulled a gun out of its holster. Four of the four times it saved someones life (mine and several people that would have been killed in the future because the persons went to jail for life without parole for their repeated disregard of life). You are correct, the bigger gun is intimidating. So much so that three of the four times I wasn't forced to shoot. The fourth was a burglar that broke in and pulled a gun. I intentionally shot him where he sits, and believe it or not he got away. Contrary to propaganda most of us, "could have been victims," don't shoot unless there is no alternative. The response time for the police is never fast enough to protect you from something that is happening right now. The last time I called 911 I called a recorded message (for an accident) and it took them 20 minutes to call back.
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