Cops Have Killed Every 8 Hours in 2015, Sending At Least Three People to Early Graves Per Day
Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 2 months ago to Government
So it looks like America's police force is starting out for a real bang-up year;
"As of February 15, only a month and a half into 2015, there has been at least 136 individuals killed by police in the United States since the first of the year.
The frighteningly high number averages out to three killed per day, or someone killed every eight hours. While there is no government-run database, Killed By Police has taken it upon themselves to keep track, and are doing a fantastic job thus far."
And;
Unofficially, it seems that American police kill more than all of the first world nations’ police departments combined!
That’s not the only mind-blowing perspective either. So far this year all cop killers have been other cops. This year the police seem to be far more likely to die as a result of police brutality than at the hand of a violent suspect."
"As of February 15, only a month and a half into 2015, there has been at least 136 individuals killed by police in the United States since the first of the year.
The frighteningly high number averages out to three killed per day, or someone killed every eight hours. While there is no government-run database, Killed By Police has taken it upon themselves to keep track, and are doing a fantastic job thus far."
And;
Unofficially, it seems that American police kill more than all of the first world nations’ police departments combined!
That’s not the only mind-blowing perspective either. So far this year all cop killers have been other cops. This year the police seem to be far more likely to die as a result of police brutality than at the hand of a violent suspect."
I'm not saying I'm not still skeptical, but I was a lot more suspicious of this article than I would be of one saying something with which I heartily agree.
http://killedbypolice.net/
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
The real question is does a person suspected of commiting a crime have a civil right to resist arrest? The answer is no. Can we solve this issue here in the Gulch? Again the answer is probably no. So assuming that most cops go to work with the same thoughts as we do "what are we going to do tonight after work?" I would say that they really have the same goals as us. But apples to apples my life is not the same as a Police Officers and I can't make judgements. But I do know that cooperation of a criminal suspect goes along way towards peaceful resolution. In the days of everyone wants to know everything about everyone I think to much information may be one of the issues.
The final question is are we willing to grant the police a reprieve from a duty to act. meaning if he feels his life could be threatened that they have the option of leaving for the sake of self preservation? On the videos above neither cop pulled a weapon and both tried to verbally control a subject. The first was a loud mouth simply refusing to play by the rules. The second became an agressor and without provocation murdered a man in cold blood.
Now the unitended lesson that we can take away from the video is that fear and situation have a big influeance on how we react. I am willing to bet that the officers who gave his life in the line of duty had NEVER once pulled his gun on a person and that the decision to do so caused him great stress which caused a severe lack of accuracy which cost him his life. Which brings us back to the first question of how are they trained? train for this type of violance and when they follow the training we crucify them. Fail to train for this type of violance and we bury them.
Am I passionate about this? Yes. Why because Civil societies require all of us to do our share. Work hard, create and respect others rights to engage or not engage in the same activities. Respect the basic rules of society. This is the Gulch way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwYBshAS...
This can easily become this "Warning this is graphic"
He died while trying to talk him down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoI4G1fW...
The point of this is our law enforcement is literally toyed with on a daily basis and each situation is literally a poetntial life and death issue, Both traffic stops both displayed hostile intent. Both could have been avoided with simply being compliant.
My prayers for the family of the slain officers who fied for the rights of people to have the free speach to slander our Peace Officers, the statistics dont quite cover it and when you talk about training seconds count when confronted by this type of aggression.
Now in each case a weapon was involved 90% of the subjects in the European nations don't make it back to the police station with a pulse and having seen this rightfully so.
The rare occasion was the nut job in Norway who went on a murderous rampage, I gbet the sores of families where he cold bloodedly killed their loved ones would have preffered he was killed on the spot, instead he will be released in 20 years.
I assume as a given that all public servants do what they do out of a genuine desire to serve. Not everyone can do this and if I recall correctly it is not easy to get a Government Top Secret Security clearance unless, you are Honorable, clean living and have integirty that is beyond questioning. Because of the world we live in they also consider your family influences as well as your friends. So again I would say "Thank You" to you because, its not only the servicemen and women that serve but the sacrifice of thier family members as well that must be applauded. So again I say thank you. But this issue is far to complex to give it a blanket statement and each situation is very different. So again I say thank you for the chance to see things from a different perspective and agreethat I disagree about the premise of the initial argument as it seems unbalanced. So I oppined with a different perspective in the hopes that we avoid the cop bashing which contributes to their fear of a public they swore to protect even when they seem to be hated for doing just that. So again thank you for your comments.
So we must actually define self defense and the circumstance in which it it applies?
Then define when something is not self defense?
I have reserached the right to resist arrest and still have had no luck finding a clause, law, statute or preseidence. So do we suggest general insurection or better yet anarchy under the sovereign citizens movement? but as I believe the US Consitution is law of the land, most of us at one point or another took an Oath to defend it. That I am aware there wasn't a "until such date clause in the various oaths I have taken." So again I thank you and you have my +1, not because I agree with you its because I believe that you have the right to disagree with me.
Will I respond to you again? probaly not but I respect your rights and I appreciate your being a member of "Galt's Gulch"
For the record abuse of power is just that ABUSE and it should not be tolerated. I have known Federal employees terminated for much less, whats happening now is just a sign of the current administration.
As to the danger that police allegedly face on a daily basis. Cops and even fire fighters don't even rank in the top 10 of most dangerous jobs in the US. And for the ability to hold them accountable, it simply doesn't exist in the real world. I would much prefer that anyone with power over my life be held to a pretty strong and strict scrutiny when they're on duty. If you want that power, you take the scrutiny and if you pull your gun too quick or wrongly, you go to jail--you don't get to sit behind a desk at full pay for two or three weeks. You sit in a jail cell as any citizen would have to.
Civil court just doesn't do it for me, For a cop to arrive at that court, he's taken a life or at least abused his power in a way that damaged another human and a civil judgement that the cop will never pay nor have the means to pay in the future means nothing to the abused or to the family of the killed.
At least today there are sources that are beginning to document as the referenced site and as the groups that film police on duty the abuses and criminalities to the point that some citizens are beginning to open their eyes. Americans have always carried a feeling of superiority over other countries believing that 'It couldn't happen here'. Guess what. It's happened and it's getting worse.
Yes! And as you go on to say, that gov't is not the natural state of human existence. It had to be built carefully. I'd hate to see it come down bit by bit.
I think whoever voted this down imagined me saying it with a mafioso voice. :)
This weighs into many of their minds BUT what the statistics don't tell you is the circumstance of each for example a "Teenager from Kentucky murdered his parents then took police on an extended chase and died in a gun battle with police."
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/16/us/marylan...
Now add in the suddenly crazy person claiming some connection to the global Jihad attacks these types of numbers are mixed in here to. It also doesn't take into account the differences in how law enforcement is treated in the other countries, meaning come with us gets a far more compliant responce then in the average US City,
Numbers without facts can be very misleading. And the average police officer probably didn't vote for Obama and would probably love to have a drama free day.
However, things have changed substantially and the police are out of control.
Also, it wouldn't hurt to have fewer laws but rigidly enforced and to have a population armed and willing to fight crime (in terms of protecting lives from violent criminals) themselves without relying only on police.
The figures in the article are staggering. The countries mentioned have not adopted libertarian ideas like I suggested, yet they manage to kill many fewer suspects.