That is some very wise counsel.

True.

With a group of the right gulchers, yeah I could see that as possible.

You did find the most well-documented site that the public can see about the search for Atlantis.

See also:
http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/83...
http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/d3...
The one just above included Abaco.

There is another one in the Producer's Lounge as well:
http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/da...

Sorry, it's easy to forget that you are not talking just to one person. Most of the Atlantis search discussions are being discussed offline via e-mail by several prominent Gulch members.

I eventually found it, but not by that search. Here: http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/d9...

I appreciate the perspective offered by The Daily Bell. YMMV
http://bit.ly/1Gd6srm

My sense of freedom, my personal Gulch, comes from the financial freedom I now enjoy since the collapse of real estate. We took a chance. When the owners and financiers were throwing away properties in 2008-09, we bought. We used as much of our personal cash as we could and then OPM. It's 6 years later and people tell us we were genius or we did it at just the right time. That's easy to say 6 years later. When it's your only nest egg and you wager it on the future value of a property, ... it seemed nervy at the time. Now we have a steady stream of income that does not come from the govt, is not tied to HUD housing, it is ours. Some would say, we didn't build that. True enough, we bought them after they had been thrown away, straightened them out, and made doll houses out of them. That is a freedom I didn't have when I got a paycheck and the employer got the fruits of my labors.

As long as I have that freedom here I am happy. I know the enemy here. In another country, not so much.

Agreed. GGC may have been taken over by responsible shareholders/investors, but there hasn't been any news in the past few months.

If differences are needed to determine if the place you going to is better or worse than the place you are leaving, here is a link to a site that does all kinds of comparisons. The link is set at New Zealand, one of my favorites, but you can change it to whatever you want to compare.

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/com...

This thread includes many of the countries that the Atlantis Exploration subcommittee of the Gulch had been exploring as options, most notably Chile, Panama, Mexico, and the Bahamas. We have explored a few others as well.

Chile definitely has improved over the last generation. I think many are skeptical, however, of galtsgulchchile.com, which turned out to be a boondoggle.

Would Boquete, Panama be interested in having ~100 of us move simultaneously?

Hi
I did it in 2006 when I saw the train coming down the tracks. I now live in Boquete, Panama. Life is good and no hassles. Small village of 20,000 people and about 3,000 expats who are like minded about leaving the States. Anyone interested in learning more can email me.
Cheers
Tom Brymer
tbrymer@brymerpa.com

I moved my wife and daughter to Santiago de Chile over two years ago without knowing a word of Spanish. My daughter is now fluent and my wife and I are intermediate.

Santiago is a first world city with healthcare to rival the states. The economy is still going strong with LOADS of opportunities. I’ve started a number of businesses. Laws are strongly respected, especially property rights. Cops cannot be bribed.

For me, there was no other option. When you discount the entire Northern Hemisphere (due to Fukushima radiation and collapsing economies and sanity), Chile was it. There are many reasons to have chosen Chile in its own right. Check out AllAboutChile.com and Chile.EscapeArtist.com (one of my businesses).

Red Hot Chile is the name of the internet radio show. The shows are archived on http://overseasradio.com/red-hot-chile-r.... The links don’t seem to be working right now, but should be back soon.

I have Bahamian friends who also came to Chile to escape The Bahamas, so I’m not sure why someone would want to emigrate there. Europe is toast once the dollar and euro crash. Any other countries, dependent on the dollar, will crash too. Ecuador is one such country (where I’m vacationing now) as they don’t even have their own currency.

I tried the Free State Project for 1 ½ years. It’s great in theory, but fell far short in practice.

At one point, there were three libertarian developments in the works in Chile. Freedom Orchard will be resurrected soon, but there’s no news available yet for the public.

Moving to Chile was one of THE BEST decisions I’ve made. For anyone waiting, or allowing the excuses to delay departure, it may already be too late.

Thanks for the great comments, everybody.

Personal experience of following up in person on their 'recommendations' after having bought some of their written materials. Panama City, Panama, and Merida, Mexico being the first two that come to mind.

Hmmm. Think of it a different way: Going ex-pat with a bunch of Gulchers who have a similar philosophical basis and being forced to rub elbows with all of those people...

Jan

I was just providing a source of information for people considering a move. In fairness to the other readers here, and the organization, with which I have no association, it would be helpful if you could provide a couple of examples of exaggeration or underemphasis of any downsides.

My wife and I left the country 5-1/2 years ago to the Dominican Republic. Best decision we ever made. Love the country, the people and the health care system. A couple can live here very, very well on 35,000 a year and very well on 25-30,000, especially if you own your home, which property is not taxed. If anyone would like more info, please feel free to email me at ww1maw@aol.com or shak4u@juno.com.

Visited Panama City for a week about 10 years ago. The CIty itself was simultaneously attractive and slumlike. The climate is for those who can deal with heat and lots of humidity. Soaking wet within 5 minutes of walking, and it was not raining. Higher altitude rural areas may have better climate, but lack in city conveniences. Good inexpensive dentistry if you need an excuse to visit. My trip was paid for by savings on the dental bill. Some American ex-pats are enjoying living there.
Panama has had decent economy, boosted somewhat by the canal. Nicaragua has a canal construction plan so that could change Panama's economy. Its at least 5 years in the future (possibly never.)
BTW, I met Wesley Snipes' tax advisor Eddie Kahn while there, just before he was captured by local police and delivered to US Treasury agents for a special flight back for tax evasion. So if anyone is trying to escape from US tax problems Panama is not the place.

I'm growing a little tired of the "I am too old to think I can do anything about this mess"... ...sigh. TALK! To your kids, grandkids, ANYone! That's the foundation to build on...when someone hears "I can't believe how much less freedom we have now, it's a shame that we're becoming a socialist country.."...etc those words might not seem to phase them, but some day they will remember them and who said them.. A seed.. plant it! (Because, probably, no one else will.)

I use to have a home in the Bahamas. I still love the Bahamas. It would be a bad choice because of the violence. I would look to South America. Whatever happens to the US will have a lot of impact on the Bahamas. Canada doesn't like free speech so forget them. Went to Ecuador to check it out but it is 3rd world. You might enjoy that and it would be a great. I love Chile. We have been here for 6 months. The southern part of the country is beautiful. Santiago is very modern. You can go to a new country on your on but it's easier with an attorney. If that isn't possible find some xpats that will help you in the country of your choice. They can make it a lot easier.

Careful there. They exaggerate the advantages and omit or underemphasize the downsides. They have real estate to sell. Cui bono.