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Obama's prayer breakfast with a side of Christian guilt.

Posted by LetsShrug 9 years, 3 months ago to Government
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Unless we get on our high horse and think that this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ," Obama said. "In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ."


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  • Posted by Animal 7 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I hate to engage in thread necromancy, but it seems I can't send private messages without sending in some shekels for a Producer membership. But here we are - Donald Trump will be inaugurated tomorrow. If you want to wait until the deed is indeed done before sending me 500 rounds of .45ACP, in accordance with the wager documented in this thread, that's fine. I'm a patient man by nature.
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  • Posted by JaxGary 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sorry, I retired in 1993 and no longer have access to a copy of the UCMJ. It could have been a specification under Article 34, the general article. But I know from personal experience from 1966 to 1993 the ability to prosecute for destruction of government property existed.
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  • Posted by BeenThere 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My post was speaking in principle. The particular case you cite (if it exists) is improper (destruction of government property being a person), but it may be that the military UCMJ has been degraded over the years. In the past, if a service member was found (after investigation) to have intentionally caused the inability to perform duty, then charges could be brought for such for the same reason as AWOL or desertion (though certainly not as severe). If the UCMJ has any wording pertaining to "destruction of government property" being able to be applied to the human body, please post edition and pages as I want to see for myself.
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  • Posted by RevJay4 9 years, 3 months ago
    Prior to his first "election", I perused "his" books. I recall thinking that if this person "o" gets elected to the highest office in the land, we are in deep doo-doo.
    Now he has lifted the veil of his deception as to who he truly is, a muslim cheerleader at the least and possibly a full blown supporter of their aims of world domination.
    And it ain't over. Next two years are gonna be a bumpy ride for this nation. Hang on.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Correct. The Law of Moses is specific: "When. TWO are caught in tho act of adultery..."
    The Pharisees thought that Jesus didn't know the law nor would he be aware of what they had done and what they were up to.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I had never heard that particular idea. It did always strike me as more than a little hypocritical that they dragged her out and said that they had caught her "in the act", yet didn't simultaneously present her partner.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is not Islamic civilization that is fawned over, but Arab (within which Islam took the greatest hold). Arab civilization, much older than Mohammed, was great. It began its slow decline about the same time as Mohammed started influencing them - I wonder if there's a correlation? :-S
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, I do not agree with your conclusion but I do love your logic and language. <whine> "But the cookies are GOOD."

    Thank you for the interesting discussion.

    Jan
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 9 years, 3 months ago
    The terrible deeds that were committed during the Crusades by Christians were committed in response to the horrors being committed by Muslims in the first place..
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  • Posted by mccannon01 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hi, Jan:

    "Robbie had stated that the Muslims had exterminated all other religions. My counter was to point out that Christianity also attempted to do the same..." isn't a counter argument, it's a deflection. It's like getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar and the first thing you do is whine that your sibling does it, too. Obama is employing the same tactic. I've seen it to be quite common. That is, whenever Islam is criticized, bring up the topic of the failings of Christendom and the conversation deflects away from the failings of Islam.

    I would suspect many of our sources are similar and some are different. I've seen where Islamic civilization was fawned over and where it was refuted. You have to decide for your self.

    I have to go so I'll leave with this: Whenever the people of Christendom discover their root, you get enlightened society, when Muslims discover their root you get ISIS.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What you fail to connect is that the Pharisees had made that poor widow into a temple prostitute and the reason that Jesus said: "He who is without sin may cast the first stone..." is because they had all had her and had worn her out. It's easy to absolve yourself of guilt when your victim is dead.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Correct. His was a teaching of compassion and forgiveness. Prime example, the adulteress in the marketplace which the crowd wanted to stone - the common punishment for that transgression. Jesus asked the people in the crowd that if they themselves were without sin, then go ahead, else they should forgive as they themselves would want to be forgiven. That doesn't mean that you should go out and do evil and just ask to be forgiven, merely that nobody is perfect and we all must accept that reality.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The only violent act by Jesus recorded in the Gospels is at the Passover in the temple when he used his whip to drive out the money changers.
    He did that because the Pharisees (the ancient Jewish equivalent of centralized and all-powerful government) had turned the high holiday that was supposed to be affordable into a money grabbing opportunity for themselves.
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  • Posted by m1tmc 9 years, 3 months ago
    I try to show respect for the religious that show respect for their religion; that denounce those distorting their religion; that openly support bringing to justice those that commit atrocities in the name of religion... Why should I respect any religion who's participants allow or promote any kind of terrorism?... If I am a Christian supporting those that bomb abortion clinics, am I respecting my own religion?... Why should I ask anyone else to do that which I won't?..... If I am muslim and refuse to denounce those muslims that commit terrorism in the name of Islam, am I deserving of respect?? ....Or, should I show respect for those that commit terrorist acts in the name of Islam as it IS written in the Quran to commit those acts??? Which is it Mr President, you have studied the Quran?
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  • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Every day in every way his lies force me to add him again to my list of people that can kiss my arse. The problem is that there are so many that bow down to this insult to intelligence and honesty.
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  • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How would they every know? Most drop out of school because it's not necessary to be educated to nurse off the government cow.
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