It isn't always easy to drop it and walk, but I don't plan on being here any longer than I have to. My job is affording me an education I need to go elsewhere. Working for attorneys isn't my idea of a good time...to say the very least. Most of the time I am content in my work and have enough to do that I don't hear the psychobabble. This was just one time where I wasn't able to avoid it.

Great comment. you state a truth

This is a classic example of knowing when, where, why, to pick your battles. What can you afford? It is the ability to bring home the bacon versus the devastating cost to your principles.

It has always been an adage to not discuss religion or politics in the work place. Even in my relatively conservative profession of gold mining and with some of the biggie corporate producers, there were some idiots that actually voted for Obama knowing that his administration is dead set against public land resource extraction.

It has been wise to be careful in the workplace, but I found a technique that is effective. Carry the discussion as though you were the moderator of a debate. Acknowledge that there are those that are in this camp, and there are others in the opposite camp, there are differing views and ultimately the proof is in the pudding. Pose the question of how do you taste the pudding and watch the gears of thought process slowly begin to unjam and turn.

Demonstrate that opposing premises can be evaluated, that which is A can be recognized as A, and the faulty premises leading to apparent contradiction can be ejected.

Its not really "free community college" or even "low cost community college"... it's really to subsidize the horribly-performing high schools around the state and teach remedial math/science/English that the kids really should have learned back in 8th grade...

Not as intelligent as you, but I had a similar thing happen to me. I live in an apartment complex and there an area to go, drink coffee and talk. I was sitting at a table with a couple of ladies and remembered it was almost time for the SOTU. I said I've got to get I don't want to miss the big deal SOTH babble. One of the ladies clouded up and said that she had heard to me talking and knows that I don't like Obama and she does. I told her that she needs to pay close attention the next time she's ease dropping because I plan on talking about people that like Obama and that I consider them traitors to this nation. She started to back talk and I told her she's right it's never a good idea to bring up politics or religion and didn't say anything else. I asked her what it was that she liked about a Muslim leaning, lying, socialist criminal. I think I almost caused a heart attack. I also told her that I'll talk to anyone that wants to talk about government and if she didn't like it she could lump it.

One more name I've added to my list of people that can kiss my arse.

Here is a GREAT way to handle that one. Send her an email and BCC yourself.

While I was very interested in your views at lunch regarding the top 1% not needing the money anyhow. I am taking the time to forward you the greatest opportunity for you to "put YOUR money where your mouth is."

Since you are part of that top 1% here is a web link where you can freely take all that money you don't need and sent it in to the government so they can pay for that free education that you yourself said you as part of the 1% should pay for.
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/resou...

The link to just empty your "unneeded money using your debit/credit card.

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/resou...

Please let me know how much you sent in so I can use you as a great example of this particular viewpoint.

Before you start the "new club" try to scan the membership and exclude the brownnoser who will describe you to the socialist as the leader of the club to put you up as a target of sanctions. Of course, all depends on how much you like that job. I would not what to work in a place where bosses push their politics on their employees, even on a lunch break.

They are all around us. They believe the government owns everything and creates all wealth. Over time it has proven to be untrue, but they don't care.

Wealth is created by Land, improvements to land, natural resources, and value added through manufacturing (labor). That is the classic "Funk and Wagnels" definition. In the early 20th century copyrights and intellectual property were added to that. Since most of us don't sit atop an oil well or gold mine, and we aren't likely to write a hit song or screen play, labor becomes the most portable and universal method to build wealth.

In the heyday of the US (1900-1965) we used our resources, our ideas, our labor, and our salesforce to create products desired and sold around the world. In 1972 I remember reading "Future Shock", which promoted the idea of the coming service economy and America's turning away from manufacturing and blue collar. For about 50 years the progressives have moved us toward that service economy.

Let's look at wealth potential and services. When you get a haircut, which feels good and looks good and deserves the payment of the barber, what is the intrinsic value of that haircut? In a few weeks it's worth nothing and has to be done all over again. Same for tax preparation. It's a valuable service that most people need these days, but what is the future value of that stack of papers on April 16th?

On the other hand, if you bought land, improved it with a house or commercial building, is it not worth more. In most cases there is synergy and it's worth more than the sum of the two.

Progressives don't see it that way. Wealth is created by the government and distributed as government allows. One of my favorite motivational speakers used to say if you philosophy won't hold water, then you are all wet.

It is an injustice that some progressives have acquired enough wealth to force or coerce reasonable people to do their bidding. The fact is they would not trade places with the people that need education.

If you listen to Rush, he would say it takes no effort to be a liberal, just a kind or warm thought. If you do something with a good feeling, then results don't matter. For the rest of us, result do matter.

The sad part is that your office manager has no idea that she and her husband are the real targets of increased taxation. The 1% are too powerful to actually suffer any hardship, but the top 10% will get hit in the gonads with a baseball bat when the tax bill comes. SIGH . . . there's no fixing stupid.

I work in a very blue town and most attorneys here are liberals - of course. Attorneys make their living from controversey - the more the better. When people are self reliant there is little conflict. When people are dependent on others ie government then there is lots of conflict. The US graduates in one year the same number of lawyers that equalas all existing medical doctors. And we wonder why trial lawyers vote against tort reform.

"You didn't build that."

I think that was the reason for the people in AS to separate from the world, you can't reason with people who are that mind set.

Only because the taxpayers are subsidizing my competition!

Even in the legal profession, there are some who have your values, desimarie23. You need to look to find them, however. Perhaps shrugging might help.

Everything liberals advocate is based on theft.
Everything they say is used to justify theft (social justice, economic justice, for the children, the planet, the underprivileged, reparations, fair-share, the rich don't need all that money, etc.)
To the "that's the way it goes...they don't need all of that money anyway" my response is, "So, then you believe you should be making choices for them about their money? By what stretch of the imagination do you have that power to make choices for them without their consent? Is it a 'right' you have or is it just theft?"

Yes, Californica has had nearly "free" college education for years (at least since the 70's).

Probably one of the reason that state is doing so well, budget-wise...oh, wait a minute...

you did the proper thing by leaving.
now do you have the guts to tell her why you left if asked?

Desimarie23,

If you are able, I would suggest you obtain a concealed carry permit. Then, next time you have one of these lunches, bring it up as a kind of celebration!

You may find that you are no longer welcome at these lunches, which will give you the freedom to chose with whom you wish to eat, from then on.

Well said. +1. I also worked for someone (well paying job too), that on the day I found out his ethics didn't match mine, I said "I don't need to be here", handed in my issued equipment and never looked back. I didn't have a replacement job at the time either. Sometimes you just have to step out there without fear.

Do what you can to be able to choose where you want to work, or work for yourself. Someone who is a good lawyer or businessman can be an idiot in other aspects of life. With independence of employment as one of you goals, you won't feel like getting shot.

"Why is it moral to serve the happiness of others, but not your own? If enjoyment is a value, why is it moral when experienced by others, but immoral when experienced by you? If the sensation of eating a cake is a value, why is it an immoral indulgence in your stomach, but a moral goal for you to achieve in the stomach of others? Why is it immoral for you to desire, but moral for others to do so? Why is it immoral to produce a value and keep it, but moral to give it away? And if it is not moral for you to keep a value, why is it moral for others to accept it? If you are selfless and virtuous when you give it, are they not selfish and vicious when they take it? Does virtue consist of serving vice? Is the moral purpose of those who are good, self-immolation for the sake of those who are evil?

The answer you evade, the monstrous answer is: No, the takers are not evil, provided they did not earn the value you gave them. It is not immoral for them to accept it, provided they are unable to produce it, unable to deserve it, unable to give you any value in return. It is not immoral for them to enjoy it, provided they do not obtain it by right.

Such is the secret core of your creed, the other half of your double standard: it is immoral to live by your own effort, but moral to live by the effort of others—it is immoral to consume your own product, but moral to consume the products of others—it is immoral to earn, but moral to mooch—it is the parasites who are the moral justification for the existence of the producers, but the existence of the parasites is an end in itself—it is evil to profit by achievement, but good to profit by sacrifice—it is evil to create your own happiness, but good to enjoy it at the price of the blood of others." AS (Galt's speech) - AR

For seven years of my life I was a college-trained newspaper reporter. At first I had a conservative boss until I got a new job, moving from Alabama to Mississippi in 1980.
I was quite shocked to learn that the staff on this particular paper was expected to be anti-Reagan. I'm like--what, I'm in Mississippi?
I quickly came to realize that that there pervaded a notion that anyone in the media was SUPPOSED to be anti-Reagan.
To make a too long story short, by 1982 I was employed by the Alabama Department of Corrections. Talk about a radical career change.
I was paid a bit better, a lot better after step raises, while I also paid into a retirement I enjoy now.
No, don't work for any prison system unless you are a crazy dino. A radical career change may be worth considering though.
Good luck, desimarie23, I know how you feel.