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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 4 months ago
    I think that johnpe1 is correct. While China has every reason to want the US to thrive economically and thus support China's economy, it is not rational thinking that one need be concerned about. The MIRV's are a major piece on the world chessboard, and we cannot ignore the fact that if they are irrationally used, it will probably be against us - and we will be in a bad spot. If they are not used, then they are still a piece that shift the power balance. I really do not want to abandon Taiwan, even though I live in Los Angeles.

    Jan
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 4 months ago
    if walmat puts in a large order for t shirts their build up of military gear stops for a while. that is what the want because that is what they need. the general population of china could care less about going to war E3VER. they want what we want a peaceful productive country. you can discuss all you want about the weapons we supposedly have but it makes no difference.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 4 months ago
    wonderful. after ww2 the u.s. government employees of rank like the president had us kids get under our seats head between our legs so we could kiss our butts good by when the soviet union bombed us. never happened did it, that was because the soviet union was a paper tiger and we have learned over the years that we were helping them economically. let the Chinese build what they want in weapons, that may keep us on our toes like the soviets did, but do not expect one of those missiles to head this way because they the Chinese need us disparately economically.
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    • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 4 months ago
      yes, but when reason and fear face each other,
      which one usually wins? -- j

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      • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 4 months ago
        john what you are not considering is that neither side uses reason. also, neither side fears the other. they have mutual interests which is to keep the populations of each country agitated towards each other; i.e. us against the soviets. the population did not want any war and neither do the chinese and i know our population doesn't want war. i am sure that if we pulled all of our troops out of the middle east and left them alone to their own devises the US population would be happy that we are out of their and also happy to see them kill each other. fear not.
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        • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 4 months ago
          I was thinking of reason facing fear in a precious
          few human brains with keys to the icbms -- fear
          wins out internally. . and when iran has nukes and
          we are tied to israel militarily, iran could shoot at us
          and miss. . it takes awhile to learn how to do
          deterrence, and I know no democrat who can.
          and maybe only 2 or 3 repubs. -- j

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          • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 4 months ago
            iran also is a bag of wind. they do not have the ability to make a a bomb. they are arabs, arabs are a group of people who are devoid of intelligence. just look at the arab world, and what do you see? me I see the missing link in multitude. if they were even close to the bomb the Israelis would have done away with it long ago. again it is simply a reason for 0 to talk to them. before 0 leabes office we will have established dipo relations with iran too. referencing anyone in the congress of the usa demo or repub is meaningless. they are a part of the greatest debating club in the world.
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  • Posted by joseph_melow 9 years, 4 months ago
    As for the breakdown of the 2014 nuclear forces we currently have (open source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_wea...)

    We have 450 ICBM's, 288 SLBM's and 113 bombers (20 B-2's and 93 older than most of us B-52's). An ever diminishing deterrence being reduced by time and aging equipment. Don't look at the operational readiness rate unless you want to cry....at least anyone who remembers the days SAC...
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 4 months ago
    One day China will turn on us. They are a communist country and eventually they will not be able to pay for their socialist programs and will turn to conquest to make up the income
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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
    Whitewall tires... SO 1950s...

    Look, one air burst EMP nuke would throw the US into complete panic and disorder. MIRV missiles to actually hit, blow up, level and irradiate real territory has got to be one of the least smart 'strategies' any country could think of!

    C'mon!
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 4 months ago
    Today's articles in the Gulch are too much. I've got to take a cold shower. Each item has made me angrier and angrier. This one takes the cake. Yes, a cold shower, a warm quilt and a bottle of Dewar's. Where did I hide that bottle?
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  • Posted by Turfprint 9 years, 4 months ago
    What do we expect, we owe them money. This is not a coincidence and it is not a coincidence that we found out about these missiles, they want us to know. In 2010 a mysterious missile was spotted off the coast of Los Angeles and the US military claims it has no idea where it came from. But I do have an idea where it came from. During the time Obama started printing money a mysterious missile is launched off California coast which coast if followed directly west leads to, you got it China. AND which event has since mysteriously been taken down from websites and youtube.
    (Uploaded on Nov 9, 2010 @UFOcommunity A mysterious missile launch off the southern California coast was caught by CBS affiliate KCBS's cameras Monday night, and officials are staying tight-lipped over the nature of the projectile.)

    The largest foreign holder of U.S. debt is China, which owns more about $1.2 trillion in bills, notes and bonds, according to the Treasury. Foreign governments hold about 46 percent of all U.S. debt held by the public, more than $4.5 trillion. In total, China owns about 8 percent of publicly held U.S. debt. Of all the holders of U.S. debt China is the third-largest, behind only the Social Security Trust Fund's holdings of nearly $3 trillion and the Federal Reserve's nearly $2 trillion holdings in Treasury investments, purchased as part of its quantitative easing program to boost the economy.
    In 2010 a mysterious missile was spotted off the coast of Los Angeles and the US military claims it has no idea where it came from.
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  • Posted by joseph_melow 9 years, 4 months ago
    This all started back during the Clinton era when the technology transfer was approved which led to China being able to develop their space program, deep blue navy and accurate missile guidance system. Before the transfer from Loral and the rest China was decades behind in R&D let alone actual field deployment...Flash forward 20 years and they are getting ready for manned missions everywhere! Oh well, a few people made money and a few were able to put feathers in their caps all at the low, low price of selling out US competitive advantage and strategic security. Pffff, what a deal!
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 4 months ago
    We have about 50,000 nukes. They have about 300. I don't think they're going to start a shootout with us anytime soon.
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    • Posted by $ 9 years, 4 months ago
      According to the estimates in the article, we have 1,642 ICBM's plus fourteen total Ohio-class submarines (wikipedia). That's it. And having lived in Montana (near Malmstrom AFB), I can tell you that the missile silos there and in North Dakota are getting emptied pretty fast. I had several friends who were missileers. Our actual nuclear deterrent force is small and getting smaller by the day.

      The other thing to consider is the will to actually pull the trigger. Obama doesn't have it. Can you say the same of China?

      I think the real concern is leverage. Now China has one more piece of leverage to go along with their economics. Remember, their goal is to be the superpower of the 21st century. They want control of the South China Sea: the Phillippines, Taiwan, etc. The US is the only nation with a significant naval force capable of going head to head with the Chinese. And those forces are built around carrier groups. What happens when even a near-miss from a nuke hits one of those? Our capabilities are gone. Poof.
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    • Posted by RanScott 9 years, 4 months ago
      You're kidding, right? If you think China or any other nation fears the U.S. response NOW, just consider Obama's empty response to North Korea hacking Sony - never mind the past several years when the whole world saw NOTHING from obama except decidedly UNpresidential behavior, alienating traditional allies and appeasing adversaries to no avail, and bowing down and apologizing for anything and everything (latest: Castro). When he's done "fundamentally transforming The United States of America" (into WHAT, exactly? No one who cast a vote for obama ever asked that question beforehand), this spineless "president" has a definite future as a contortionist for Cirque du Soleil!
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 9 years, 4 months ago
    Missiles this way, missiles that way...

    Politics, politics, and more politics. All I do is look up and ICBMs.

    (ask a nurse)
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