There have been 'flu seasons' for as long as I can remember - nothing new with that. BUT this is the first time a sitting President was sure to be reelected and that the establishment (both D & R) really hated and had to do something to get rid of. He was an outsider! How dare WE THE PEOPLE elect someone not of their choosing!

What if this continues forever? What if it's COVID-19 now and COVID-22 in a few years and LEROYJENKINS-666 after that, and masks and endless vaccinations and restrictions on and on and on.

Nothing about COVID makes sense to me.

Reminds me of a dirty Johnny joke. Where the teacher ask kids in class to spell words from the alphabet. She starts with a and DJ raises his hand first but she can’t call on him cause he will say Ass ,this happens with every letter till she gets to r. She thinks There is no r swear word so she calls on Dirty Johnny. He responds “Rat , a big fuQing rat”

I know I'm waxing tangential again, but do you think Dr Fauci resembles a rat which has achieved bipedalism? Discuss.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/rXg0hK... https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-new...

Risk from ACE2 inhibitor blood pressure medication-

SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2) infection relies on the binding of S protein (Spike glycoprotein) to ACE (angiotensin-converting enzyme) 2 in the host cells.

Paradoxically, ACE2 is protective in the cardiovascular system, and SARS-CoV-1 S protein promotes lung injury by decreasing the level of ACE2 in the infected lungs.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.11...

If you give me the exact link I can look at it. What it looks like to me is a poorly written description of a technology. I have not heard of a PCR test that detects both the flu and COVID but doesn't know the difference. I have heard of some that test for more than one virus.

So may be we are both mistaken.....the articles title indicate the PCR test can’t tell the difference between flu and Covid.
CDC urges labs to use COVID tests that can differentiate from flu.
The CDC urged laboratories to "save both time and resources" by introducing kits that can determine and distinguish a positive test for the coronavirus and flu.

"CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses," the agency said Wednesday.

Laboratories will have until the close of 2021 before the CDC officially withdrawals its Emergency Use Authorization of the Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel.

I subsequently checked and they have finished the clinical trial on the Losartan last month and didn't find any particular protection -- or negative effect.

The argument given by WS is valid, he carefully says it is based on his own characteristics and data available.

I've done the same, it is not all one way but I think for me it is more of a risk to take the vax.
I am particularly bothered by the long term uncertainties especially the fact that the spike protein created by the mRNA vax does penetrate to areas where it could be dangerous, not what is claimed to stay where it is put.

I have doubts about that ACE2 receptor blood pressure medication making you more susceptible, it could work the other way.

I have not had my vaccine. I am not an anti-vaccer for sure. I need time to think about it. The longer one thinks on a subject, the better result obtained so I am taking my time. Also I think it likely I have had Covid already; in my business (retail) I contact every Tom, Dick and Harry and surely one of them gave it to me already. EDIT- Is someone working on a better, well-thought-out vaccine? Not something cooked up in 10 minutes in the back of a panel truck. That one, I may take, eventually.

Your are misstating the case. The CDC has not said that the PCR test is flawed and should never have been used. They are, in fact, allowing it to be used until December 31. It still works. It, like all tests has the potential for error based on handling and interpretation.

If it is positive, there is almost certainly some of the SARS-COV2 in your sample. Whether it is enough to be concerned about is the question. Too much amplification leads to 'positive results' without any clinical significance.

I looked for at the Flu and think you have misread it. A multi-plex PCR test will detect a number of genetic targets. There are kits being produced that not only detect the genetic targets for SARS-COV-2 but also Influenza A and B. Note that they don't just say positive, they say which targets were detected. So your result could be "SARS-COV-2 Neg" "INFLUENZA A Neg" "INFLUENZA B Pos"

This is useful because when someone presents with flu-like symptoms it is nice to have a single test which checks for all three viruses at once.

They are phasing it out because there are newer tests coming online which use molecular target matching and do not have the risk of misinterpretation that PCR can have.

Note PCR has been used to monitor AIDS since the 1990's, its a solid technique. It does require expertise to manage correctly and in the ramp-up we had people releasing false positives.

If you expect that laboratory tests are always perfect and give the right answer, you are mistaken. They are sometimes wrong for a variety of technical reasons depending upon the handling and methodology.

So my rule for laboratory work is that if you get a lab test with an unexpected concerning result not supported by your symptoms, run it again before taking action.

We each should make the decision

Not being insulting. Just informative but in response to your comment:
Smallpox, Polio, Measles, Mumps and Rubella have entered the chat
Real Vaccines WORK.

As this pressure to conform to the desires and mandates of a technocrat Dr Fauci and the Governors who are over stepping their authority imposing laws when it is the legislature who only has that constitutional authority began. BTW a technocrat is an unelected “expert” official deciding what you will do and what you won’t do.
Any way, talking with my wife who is in agreement with the statement that I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees I said this is what I will ask someone who is saying I should get the vaccine. How many shots will you take for me to make me comfortable?

Point taken. Fivedollargold will mull this over.

It’s like we are arguing if the car that ran someone over was cherry red or candy apple.
Either way the so called test is flawed and should never have been used as the CDC just admitted
Even though the inventor of the process said it was not appropriate for the use of testing for the China Flu or as you say SARS-COV-2. and yes his message was censored. BTW the CDC Claimed the Flu was detected as SARS-COV2. Why is that?

They are looking for specific genetic markers from SARS-COV-2, so they are unlikely to match something else.

If it tests positive I would bet that there is at least part of the actual virus in the sample. Whether that is clinically significant becomes a question at high amplification.

The Vacs possibly do more long-term damage than short-term good. Comments in this discussion show proof that the masks are ineffective. Some of us will get sick and maybe die. Do what makes you feel good.

Or it could be that dead DNA fragments from apast cold or flu are detected when 40-45 cycles are used. A common cold is a corona virus.
The deep state are so desperate to usher in the One world Govt which will be a Technocracy. That they inflate the counts of cases and deaths to kill small business. This week the CDC stopped the special use authorization for this PCR test due to its inaccuracy. Coincidentally the Soros Gates team buys a test company in England at the same time. Wow what great investors they are.

People that are not asking the Questions that you
Ask and don’t seek out the answers are at serious
Risk of permanent harm or death.

I am in stage 4 chronic kidney disease. Diabetic and overweight. Heart issues. I am required to wear the mask at the Doctors' offices, but will not put a mask on anywhere else. This Democrat/Communist Government is out of control.

I respect your right to believe that unvaccinated people somehow hurt your production. But I would never do business of any kind with you.
You violate John Galt’s creed imo
“I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine“
By trying to require another human to take the risk of an experimental jab that has already killed thousands so you feel comfortable is against everything the fictitious John Galt stood for.

Lmao.