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Why get vaccinated?

Posted by $ TomB666 11 months ago to Ask the Gulch
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So far during my life time, people have been vaccinated in order to avoid getting a disease – polio, measles, etc. After we were vaccinated, we didn’t have to worry about getting that disease.

So I have to ask, what is the purpose of the Covid vaccine? If it is in fact a legitimate vaccine, once you are vaccinated, you should be immune and if not why get the vaccine at all? If you are immune, why would you care if I get the vaccine?


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    Posted by freedomforall 11 months ago
    Get vaccinated to avoid being sent to the planned Gulag for the unvaxxed.
    Prior to the Gulag, unvaxxed will be social pariahs. I won't be surprised if their credit cards and debit cards are cancelled, bank accounts closed.
    On the bright side there will be a big black market in vaxx papers.

    Where are Your papers, comrade?
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    • Posted by mccannon01 11 months ago
      Almost looking forward to getting black market papers - or making my own. The problem will be as soon as the bootleggers look like they've got it solved, the paranoid busy body control freaks in our government will spend billions of tax dollars to make sure the official papers can't be duplicated. You will likely have to crack into a vaccine database somewhere (Clinic? Hospital? School?) and make sure a vax data record for you is created and uploaded to Big Brother and receive real official papers.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 11 months ago
    If you're old, weak, have other serious health issues that may render you at much higher risk you should consider it. If none of those things are factors, why bother? I could ramble through my background to try to legitimize my point but...also, why bother? People with zero knowledge about this are willing to have the government take others' rights away over this. We've slipped over the slippery slope, I think. Remember the old saying, "There is no free lunch"? Well, that applies to vaccines and most pharmaceuticals, really. Nobody on this forum has sufficient knowledge of the risks with this vaccine UNLESS they studied the VAERS data and applied that accordingly (just for starters. Most can't tell you what's in the vaccines). Then, they'd have some idea of the risks. Then, they might be able to make an informed risk/reward analysis and decide.

    My son was permanently disabled by vaccines. My dad would have been alive today had he not taken every vaccine he could get his hands on. One close friend lost her son at 16 due to complications of a flu shot (who'd have thunk that?) and another friend's son will spend his life in a wheelchair as a paraplegic due to a reaction to vaccination as a child. These victims are nameless, faceless to most because the MSM will repeatedly lie to you about the risks. The vaccine locomotive is barreling down the tracks now and I don't see it getting stopped. I hope I'm wrong - But, the question as to "why" get vaccinated is close to be a moot point...You're going to get vaccinated...
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    • Posted by AmericanWoman 11 months ago
      Our Son has been fighting the good fight of a rare cancer though seems I read more and more cases, but he has been fighting with great courage so many parts of his precious body removed, replaced, removed again for the past 9 years got the jab not my choice ended up in a major hospital fighting once again Myocarditis he never spoke of death fighting cancer but this he was sure...he is slowly slowly gaining strength...AND back on chemo....God surely is hearing my voice in prayer and many prayer warriors. He was 12 when received.
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  • Posted by $ BobCat 11 months ago
    Those are rational and logical questions.
    Unfortunately, those who call us antivaxxers, are neither rational nor logical. They don’t know how to think. They are conformists and not objectivists.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 11 months ago
    Well, first, like they said... This is NOT a vaccine. This is an experimental drug alternative to real vaccines. (Look it up, this is a computer generated piece of biology to cause your body to make antibodies to an actual virus, this is NOT considered a vaccine by the pre-2019 definition)!

    Second, your point about why care about my status has been the case for DECADES.
    If you are protected, AWESOME, leave me alone.

    But they can't.
    It's about power, control, and profit. That's it!
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  • Posted by GaryL 11 months ago
    Those who were ahead stocked up on HCQ, Azithromycin, Zikn, D3 and Ivermectin. Those, Elites, profiting from the Vax can't stand these cheap drugs and have made many of them illegal. The amount of false info being portrayed by the MSM is simply astounding.
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    • Posted by Daytrip220 11 months ago
      You can get them. I got Ivermectin. There’s a whole list of Drs who will call it in for you just have to do a telephone conference. America Frontline Doctors website a doctor from NJ called me 3 mo worth in. I had to take it 5 days , then 2 pills every 2 weeks for 3 mo.
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      • Posted by GaryL 11 months ago
        No doctor necessary if you get it from India where most of this stuff is made. 100, 200 and 300 packs of HCQ, Ivermec, Doxy, Azith and lots of other non painkiller stuff shipped to your door. Put this in one word with a dot com on the end, well erectile and search the site.
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  • Posted by $ Markus_Katabri 11 months ago
    To be fair....there is one good reason I can think of. Google “Leaky Vaccines” and how it relates to culling poultry flocks. Now connect the dots. These are indeed “Leaky” vaccines. And the powers, that shouldn’t be, see us as livestock. Accept those assertions as true.
    Now wargame out the scenario.
    As always, your choice is your choice. No coercion intended. And there is no way of knowing the possible long term effects.
    And keep in mind that even using the CDCs numbers. SARS-COV2 ver 1.0 has AT WORST a 2% mortality. I’ve lost 2 close friends to this. So, I’m not downplaying the disease. It’s REAL. But, I feel it’s not as prevalent as the fear mongering would have us believe. The truth, as usual, is somewhere in the middle.
    It’s a personal choice that should NEVER be coerced.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 11 months ago
    I got vaccinated because I am in a risk group and Covid-19 was a serious risk to my survival. I did not want to take the risk that my immune system would win without some assistance.

    I have that. Other people, who have different risk profiles might reasonably make other decisions.

    In general, there is no reason for me to wear a mask, although I probably would if I were visiting someone with an active case of Covid -- vaccines just give your own immune system an edge, they aren't absolute.

    We are being forced to wear masks in LA county essentially so that we will turn on the people who do not get vaccinated and force them to do so.

    Interestingly, the other day I actually found a scientific mask study -- not a scientific argument or a model: the Danish mask study DANMASK-19. They had approximately 3000 people wearing masks and 3000 not. Of the ones without masks, 2.1% got Covid-19. Of the ones with masks 1.8% got Covid. The difference was not statistically significant. It shows some mild advantage but certainly nothing that would support a mandate.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 11 months ago
      Regarding the masks, the CDC and NIH databases actually have about 16 papers on the non-efficacy of masks. One of my favorites was a study involving over 2000 medical personnel and the flu. 1/3 represented the control group: no masks. 1/3 wore "surgical" masks (the blue ones commonly found in hospitals). The last 1/3 wore common cloth masks. There was no difference in infection rates between those who had no mask and those who wore surgical masks. What was very interesting, however, was that those who wore the common cotton masks had a 10% higher infection rate than those who wore no masks.

      As a confirmation to this, the Blaze published a study done which looked at infection rates by county throughout the entire United States and compared the counties according to whether or not they had a mask mandate in place. Those who had a mask mandate had a 10% HIGHER incidence of COVID infections.

      (This doesn't even cover the decreased oxygen levels in those who wear masks - up to 20% decrease in even common cotton masks.)
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    • Posted by mhubb 11 months ago
      you have been duped
      and used in a medical experiment for reason not fully known at this time
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      • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 11 months ago
        I've worked in the medical laboratory field for the last 30 years and am familiar with the issues. I studied the information carefully and knew someone in the clinical trial who teaches neuroscience.

        The disease is real, it really kills people it attacks via an ACE2 receptor which I may have more of because my ACE2 inhibitor blood pressure medicine I've been taking for almost 20 years. I am 69 and, while not in the most risky group, certainly higher on the risk pattern.

        I tracked the study and the reports of it. It was emergency use because the FDA rushed it. By rushed it doesn't mean they skipped steps what they skipped was the waiting for months to get a meeting that drug companies usually go through. They also overlapped steps.

        Most reactions to vaccinations happen rather quickly as the immune system reacts. That was adequately tested by the large number of clinical trials that had to be completed for a month. While vaccines could have long term consequences that is a lower risk.

        It is a risk, life is a risk. I made the judgement that it was less of a risk to take the vaccine.

        Other people have different profiles and a lot of things are being said on both side of the issue that simply aren't true.

        I'm comfortable with my decision.
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        • Posted by $ gharkness 11 months ago
          And....you really don't have to justify it. Just like those who don't take it owe no one an explanation.

          I take it a bit further and refuse to divulge my "vaccine status" to anyone that isn't within my immediate family. And I make no excuses about that either.
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          • Posted by $ allosaur 11 months ago
            Good attitude. Here in The Gulch I've already admitted taking it due to being an overweight aged 74 Type 2 diabetic (that disease crippled a foot) in the risk group that Covid-19 can kill.
            I spent much time studying the risks, contemplated the possibility of side effects and spoke to a doctor I trust who recommended I take the shot (actually two of Moderna). So did a concerned daughter-in-law who is a nurse. Should my decision backfire, all I can say is what the Scorpion King said before he became one in that movie, "Live free and die well."
            Me dino respects anyone's free will decision to take it, not to take it or like gharkness to just tell people it's none of their business if they so want.
            No government entity has any any right to force anyone to do anything in regard to their medical privacy.
            IMO, physically fit people, young people and most especially children should not be vaccinated or forced to wear masks.
            I no longer wear a mask. To hell with that. Took what I thought was my best shot at the time. Get it? Ha! Ha! Live free and die well.
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        • Posted by Lucky 11 months ago
          The argument given by WS is valid, he carefully says it is based on his own characteristics and data available.

          I've done the same, it is not all one way but I think for me it is more of a risk to take the vax.
          I am particularly bothered by the long term uncertainties especially the fact that the spike protein created by the mRNA vax does penetrate to areas where it could be dangerous, not what is claimed to stay where it is put.

          I have doubts about that ACE2 receptor blood pressure medication making you more susceptible, it could work the other way.
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          • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 11 months ago
            I subsequently checked and they have finished the clinical trial on the Losartan last month and didn't find any particular protection -- or negative effect.
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            • Posted by Lucky 11 months ago
              Risk from ACE2 inhibitor blood pressure medication-

              SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2) infection relies on the binding of S protein (Spike glycoprotein) to ACE (angiotensin-converting enzyme) 2 in the host cells.

              Paradoxically, ACE2 is protective in the cardiovascular system, and SARS-CoV-1 S protein promotes lung injury by decreasing the level of ACE2 in the infected lungs.

              https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.11...
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    • Posted by JohnWesley 11 months ago
      I am in stage 4 chronic kidney disease. Diabetic and overweight. Heart issues. I am required to wear the mask at the Doctors' offices, but will not put a mask on anywhere else. This Democrat/Communist Government is out of control.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 11 months ago
    I've seen a bit of carefully hidden walking back posturing on the news saying the "vaccines" are not truly vaccines but lessen or mitigate the symptoms of the real disease and don't actually cure it - kind of like HCQ or Ivermectin.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 11 months ago
    I realized today that knowing the truth about vaccines is a lot like knowing who shot JFK. Do you spill the beans and face the consequences (ala Jack Ruby) or do you keep it to yourself? Hmmm?...
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  • Posted by Aurum79 10 months, 3 weeks ago
    What if this continues forever? What if it's COVID-19 now and COVID-22 in a few years and LEROYJENKINS-666 after that, and masks and endless vaccinations and restrictions on and on and on.
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    • Posted by $ 10 months, 3 weeks ago
      There have been 'flu seasons' for as long as I can remember - nothing new with that. BUT this is the first time a sitting President was sure to be reelected and that the establishment (both D & R) really hated and had to do something to get rid of. He was an outsider! How dare WE THE PEOPLE elect someone not of their choosing!
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  • Posted by Aurum79 11 months ago
    I have not had my vaccine. I am not an anti-vaccer for sure. I need time to think about it. The longer one thinks on a subject, the better result obtained so I am taking my time. Also I think it likely I have had Covid already; in my business (retail) I contact every Tom, Dick and Harry and surely one of them gave it to me already. EDIT- Is someone working on a better, well-thought-out vaccine? Not something cooked up in 10 minutes in the back of a panel truck. That one, I may take, eventually.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 11 months ago
    I have heard (but cannot verify) that, while the COVID-vaccine does not guarantee immunity, it lessens the severity of the disease if the person gets it. Whether that is true, I do not know.
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  • Posted by term2 11 months ago
    Very good points. And now they are saying that the current vaccines dont keep you from getting covid , but just tend to lessen the severity of it to a degree IF you get it. And obviously its not considered as effective as a mask, or the power brokers wouldnt want us to continue with the mask charade.
    I waited months before I got it to see what was happening with side effects. Seemed pretty safe, so I took the plunge in march 2020, as I suspected that as time went on the virus would become stronger and more agile. So far, people around me vaccinated and not vaccinated have contracted it, but I have been spared.

    I stayed away from large crowds in small spaces like elevators, night clubs, etc. Tried to keep my immune system up, and pretty much stayed away from other people unless necessary. Worked so far even before getting vaxxed, so I dont know if the vaccine really helped.
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  • Posted by $ Dreamer 11 months ago
    The BIG LIE or CON is the concept that those who are old and or disabled should get the non-vax over younger, more so called healthy (also a con) is the greatest lie as those are the ones who will die right away. Those who believe in the fallacy of taking care of our old and disabled first have bought in to the LIE!
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  • Posted by diessos 11 months ago
    Dumb question. When they test for Covid they are testing for antibodies.
    So, I had Chicken Pox as a child. If my children have chicken pox, wouldn't I test positive for Chicken Pox antibodies?
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    • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 11 months ago
      Generally Covid testing is done by detecting specific spots of the Covid genome via PCR.

      Essentially there are usually 2 or 3 target spots on the virus that they run through a genetic multiplication process to make enough copies to detect. If they detect none, then it's negative, however there is also how many cycles of amplification you do before you no longer count it. This is typically 35 to 40 cycles.

      This can generate 'false' positives. In a way they aren't really false. That genetic material was found in your sample. Now it could be a contamination or it could be a small enough of an amount that it has no clinical effect on you.
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      • Posted by $ Dobrien 11 months ago
        Or it could be that dead DNA fragments from apast cold or flu are detected when 40-45 cycles are used. A common cold is a corona virus.
        The deep state are so desperate to usher in the One world Govt which will be a Technocracy. That they inflate the counts of cases and deaths to kill small business. This week the CDC stopped the special use authorization for this PCR test due to its inaccuracy. Coincidentally the Soros Gates team buys a test company in England at the same time. Wow what great investors they are.
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        • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 11 months ago
          They are looking for specific genetic markers from SARS-COV-2, so they are unlikely to match something else.

          If it tests positive I would bet that there is at least part of the actual virus in the sample. Whether that is clinically significant becomes a question at high amplification.
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          • Posted by $ Dobrien 11 months ago
            It’s like we are arguing if the car that ran someone over was cherry red or candy apple.
            Either way the so called test is flawed and should never have been used as the CDC just admitted
            Even though the inventor of the process said it was not appropriate for the use of testing for the China Flu or as you say SARS-COV-2. and yes his message was censored. BTW the CDC Claimed the Flu was detected as SARS-COV2. Why is that?
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            • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 11 months ago
              Your are misstating the case. The CDC has not said that the PCR test is flawed and should never have been used. They are, in fact, allowing it to be used until December 31. It still works. It, like all tests has the potential for error based on handling and interpretation.

              If it is positive, there is almost certainly some of the SARS-COV2 in your sample. Whether it is enough to be concerned about is the question. Too much amplification leads to 'positive results' without any clinical significance.

              I looked for at the Flu and think you have misread it. A multi-plex PCR test will detect a number of genetic targets. There are kits being produced that not only detect the genetic targets for SARS-COV-2 but also Influenza A and B. Note that they don't just say positive, they say which targets were detected. So your result could be "SARS-COV-2 Neg" "INFLUENZA A Neg" "INFLUENZA B Pos"

              This is useful because when someone presents with flu-like symptoms it is nice to have a single test which checks for all three viruses at once.

              They are phasing it out because there are newer tests coming online which use molecular target matching and do not have the risk of misinterpretation that PCR can have.

              Note PCR has been used to monitor AIDS since the 1990's, its a solid technique. It does require expertise to manage correctly and in the ramp-up we had people releasing false positives.

              If you expect that laboratory tests are always perfect and give the right answer, you are mistaken. They are sometimes wrong for a variety of technical reasons depending upon the handling and methodology.

              So my rule for laboratory work is that if you get a lab test with an unexpected concerning result not supported by your symptoms, run it again before taking action.
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              • Posted by $ Dobrien 11 months ago
                So may be we are both mistaken.....the articles title indicate the PCR test can’t tell the difference between flu and Covid.
                CDC urges labs to use COVID tests that can differentiate from flu.
                The CDC urged laboratories to "save both time and resources" by introducing kits that can determine and distinguish a positive test for the coronavirus and flu.

                "CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses," the agency said Wednesday.

                Laboratories will have until the close of 2021 before the CDC officially withdrawals its Emergency Use Authorization of the Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel.
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 11 months ago
    Vaxes are never perfect. Fivedollargold cares about others getting Covid-19 vax because pandemic rules are a major annoyance to him. Some might call this a selfish attitude. Fivedollargold considers unvaxinated people with Covid-19 interfererers with his productivity. He makes allowance for peeps under 30 who should probably skip the 2nd jab.
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    • Posted by $ Dobrien 11 months ago
      I respect your right to believe that unvaccinated people somehow hurt your production. But I would never do business of any kind with you.
      You violate John Galt’s creed imo
      “I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine“
      By trying to require another human to take the risk of an experimental jab that has already killed thousands so you feel comfortable is against everything the fictitious John Galt stood for.
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      • Posted by fivedollargold 11 months ago
        Point taken. Fivedollargold will mull this over.
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        • Posted by $ Dobrien 11 months ago
          As this pressure to conform to the desires and mandates of a technocrat Dr Fauci and the Governors who are over stepping their authority imposing laws when it is the legislature who only has that constitutional authority began. BTW a technocrat is an unelected “expert” official deciding what you will do and what you won’t do.
          Any way, talking with my wife who is in agreement with the statement that I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees I said this is what I will ask someone who is saying I should get the vaccine. How many shots will you take for me to make me comfortable?
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          • Posted by Aurum79 10 months, 3 weeks ago
            I know I'm waxing tangential again, but do you think Dr Fauci resembles a rat which has achieved bipedalism? Discuss.
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            • Posted by $ Dobrien 10 months, 3 weeks ago
              Reminds me of a dirty Johnny joke. Where the teacher ask kids in class to spell words from the alphabet. She starts with a and DJ raises his hand first but she can’t call on him cause he will say Ass ,this happens with every letter till she gets to r. She thinks There is no r swear word so she calls on Dirty Johnny. He responds “Rat , a big fuQing rat”
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