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If we could have proved a negative ....

Posted by  $  TomB666 3 months, 3 weeks ago to Politics
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According to CNBC, Trump’s tweet comes minutes after Mueller reiterated the finding that “if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so.” Interesting use of the negative. According to Mueller, if he could have proven a negative he would have said so. But he couldn't prove that something did not happen - where was he when logic was being taught?


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  • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 3 months, 3 weeks ago
    Hadn't looked at it that way...so in actuality he couldn't prove he did and couldn't prove he didn't are essentially the same statement...No Crime committed...like a glass half full or half empty?
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  • Posted by CrustyOldGeezer 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    No 'criminal act' was being investigated.

    IF there was no CRIME, there is NO GUILT!

    And THAT is the way it should be stated by the White House.

    FORCE THE MEDIA to PROVE there was a crime!

    FORCE the politicians to PROVE there was a crime.
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  • Posted by TheRealBill 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    Funny, how they did, apparently do exactly that in Volume 1.

    "Although members of the IRA had contact with individuals affiliated with the Trump Campaign, the indictment does not charge any Trump Campaign official or any other U.S. person with participating in the conspiracy. That is because the investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. person who coordinated or communicated with the IRA knew that he or she was speaking with Russian nationals engaged in the criminal conspiracy. The Office therefore determined that such persons did not have the knowledge or criminal purpose required to charge them in the conspiracy to defraud the United States (Count One) or in the separate count alleging a wire- and bank-fraud conspiracy involving the IRA and two individual Russian nationals (Count Two)."

    They didn't have sufficient evidence for a charge, so they "determined" it never happened. Yet in Volume 2 they didn't have sufficient evidence for a charge, yet .... maybe.

    It is as if Volumes 1 and 2 were written by different people at different times. What I'd like to know is when were they written? I wouldn't be surprised if Volume 1 was written a year or so ago.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    For some reason this story reminds me of those TV shows that dramatize unsolved crimes. People normally wouldn't even think of turning to woo, turn to polygraph tests and psychics. People speculate that even though they couldn't put together enough evidence for a trial or a conviction, "the police probably know who did it but can't prove it". If you can't prove it, you don't know it. It's like it's hard for our human minds to accept we don't know. Maybe this is part of why some people who work in the criminal justice system get jaded. They say, "there's no clear alibi, but we can't prove she did it either." No matter how they say it, people parse their words and expression looking for clues at what the authorities really think happened because it's hard to accept "I don't know."
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  • Posted by ycandrea 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    Agreed. And if Mueller thinks he can just go off into retirement and be left alone with all the damage he has created and all the people he has hurt, he better think again!
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  • Posted by  $  blarman 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    That's because Mueller couldn't make the report say what he wanted - that Trump was guilty. And because the statute on obstruction requires an underlying criminal accusation, he couldn't indict on that either. It's sour grapes that real lawyers absolutely detest.
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  • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    Just ran across this: Update: The Justice Department and Special Counsel’s office have released a joint statement insisting that there is “no conflict” between Mueller and Barr’s accounts of why the special counsel’s office didn’t consider charging President Trump with a crime.

    “The Attorney General has previously stated that the Special Counsel repeatedly affirmed that he was not saying that, but for the [Office of Legal Counsel] opinion, he would have found the President obstructed justice,” said DOJ spokeswoman Kerri Kupec along with special counsel spokesman Peter Carr in a Wednesday evening statement.

    “The Special Counsel’s report and his statement today made clear that the office concluded it would not reach a determination – one way or the other – about whether the President committed a crime. There is no conflict between these statements.”

    https://rawconservativeopinions.com/2...
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    • Posted by TheRealBill 3 months, 2 weeks ago
      "“The Special Counsel’s report and his statement today made clear that the office concluded it would not reach a determination – one way or the other – about whether the President committed a crime. "

      Yes and no. On each "key event" they did put down whether what they found met the criteria for an actual charge. None of the them met their own criteria.
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