From Our Friend Straight Line Logic

Posted by $ Abaco 1 year, 1 month ago to Science
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Curiouser and curiouser….Gosh, I wonder why the debate won't go away. It's so pesky. Actually, I know why it won't. I'd tell you over a beer...

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  • Posted by $ mminnick 1 year, 1 month ago
    What about the following vaccines? Polio, small pox, MMR, whooping cough?
    many childhood dieses are eliminated or minimalized in impact.
    I grant there iare some Vaccines that are questionable but each should be evaluated on its merits rather than bundling them all together and stating "Bad, Bad, Bad".
    Just my opinion.
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    • Posted by kddr22 1 year, 1 month ago
      I agree.I have had this argument on this board before but I am old enough to have seen/cared for the last of the children who in large numbers had HIB meningitis which left them deaf blind and a vegetable. The cases were down to only 10 a few years ago but now back in the 100;s and rising from non vacc. I support the right for a choice, but not fictional hype against vaccines
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  • Posted by $ gharkness 1 year, 1 month ago
    I'll be taking my vaccines for the foreseeable future, thanks. So will my kids and grandkids, at least that's what they tell me they're going to do.

    Whatever ill effects I might have are somewhat less serious than death, at least so far. I had the flu once when I was 8, and that was enough for me. I hate it when I see people that I otherwise think highly of go down this road. While every vaccine may not be perfect (in fact, I can easily agree that they are not), we are far better off now that we have them than we were before they were invented/discovered.

    Anyone who doubts this can go visit any old cemetery and observe the hundreds and hundreds of gravestones of children buried there during outbreaks of various childhood diseases. Often, entire families were wiped out as a result of these diseases.

    Two weeks ago I had the new-ish Shingrix vaccine which did, indeed make me ill for about a week. Similar to what the Zostavax did back in the day (I participated in clinical trials for Zostavax). Have one more dose of the Shingrix coming up in about 2-6 months, and I'll be taking that, too. Even if it makes me sick. I don't want shingles and that's the best way I can think of to avoid it.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 1 month ago
    "the CDC director at the time of Gardasil’s approval (Julie Gerberding) went on to be appointed president of Merck’s profitable vaccine division (worth $5 billion globally) in 2009. "
    Could a slightly indirect payoff be any more obvious?
    👍 Abaco
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  • Posted by $ 25n56il4 1 year, 1 month ago
    I also have a theory and so far so good. My theory is I don't take the flu vaccine, but I do take the pneumonia one. The flu won't kill you, but pneumonia will! I've had the flu three times and it was always the A-type, the one that goes back to 1957! The doctor came to my house and stayed two nights! Hospitals were full in Houston. No medical beds available.
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    • Posted by Lucky 1 year, 1 month ago
      The flu won't kill you
      I don't know about 25n's chances nor about other readers here, but flu can be fatal especially for small children, there have been fatalities here of children, the parents were too lazy or misinformed to get their child vaccinated.
      Babies and toddlers are not, cannot be, vaccinated. Adults who come into contact with young infants, as family or in the street, should be vaccinated. When an adult gets flu they usually survive but it can be miserable for up to 3 days. infants have a 50/50 chance.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 1 month ago
      The only time I ever got the flu vaccine (work encouraged it) it immediately put me in bed along with two others from the IT department. The only person who was in the office for the next three days? Didn't get vaccinated. That was twenty years ago. And though I've occasionally gotten the flu since, I've never been off work for more than a day.

      Thanks, but I'll pass forever more on flu vaccines.
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    • Posted by exceller 1 year, 1 month ago
      I never take the flu vaccine.

      The reasons are multiple..

      I know that the vaccine used does not protect against the virus of this year. The flu virus mutates and it takes time for scientists to develop the latest surface proteins and use them in a vaccine. So when people get inoculated, they will be protected against some but not all variants.

      The second reason is: my Mother always went for the shot and she always became very sick. Some vaccines contain the attenuated virus, not the protein, and the reaction can be severe by some people.
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  • Posted by exceller 1 year, 1 month ago
    Everything the government meddles with turns into disaster.

    The problem as I see it is that some areas need to be controlled, such as childhood diseases or epidemics.

    When it is put into the hands of bureaucrats, it invariably ends up as a failure.

    Add to this environmental control. In areas of California, the aim was to control a species and prevent it from extinction.

    In the process, the "control" affected vegetation and other species, completely upsetting the fragile eco balance that existed before, making the problem a full blown disaster.

    As for the FDA and CDC, there are a lot of fatal mistakes both undertook, which are carefully covered up.
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  • Posted by $ 1 year, 1 month ago
    Well...I've never said this about anything else. But, I know more about this topic than almost anybody. After dedicating a decade of research and more money than I'll admit I've seen things that would blow you away regarding vaccines and basic epidemiology. Almost nobody knows what they're talking about on this here, or elsewhere. So, I'll just leave you with my favorite Voltaire quote - Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    Best of luck.
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  • Posted by $ straightlinelogic 1 year, 1 month ago

    Thanks for picking up that post. You and i know why the debate won't go away--because the demonized side is right and the mainstream side is full of sh*t. Collective Evolution is a goldmine of articles on vaccine safety.
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