How bad does it have to get for you to leave?

Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago to The Gulch: General
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Straightlinelogic recently and eloquently stated that he wants his freedom back in a couple of different posts. This is why several of us are game planning for Atlantis. Some of us want a physical Atlantis to give us hope. Some would like multiple distributed Atlantises, and I am not opposed to that.

What I am asking you to rate on a scale of 0 to 100 each of the following:

A) Your hope for your current country (Please state either US or non-US as well;

B) What your hope would be if we built Atlantis; and

C) What your hope would have to be in order for you to be so desperate that you would have to leave.

Remember Atlantis won't happen overnight. Many, including myself, are not planning on going unless things get really desperate. I have as good a shrug position as I could ever get.

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  • Posted by $ johnrobert2 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Probably not feasible. Would be demilled and the fissionables removed. Getting replacement material and placed would be not only a headache, but a pain compared to which passing a kidney stone would be considered a feather tickle.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    At this point, we are in the interest gathering stage, but the commission would be well-deserved. Is there anywhere to land a helicopter or seaplane, or is the foliage that consistently dense?
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh, is that where I got that line? Just kidding, it is exactly where I got that line, and I couldn't agree with you more!
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  • Posted by $ johnrobert2 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm in the same boat, sort of, but not willing to knuckle under to survive. I can go primitive, if need be. Won't like it much but better than the alternative.
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  • Posted by $ Your_Name_Goes_Here 10 years, 8 months ago
    A: 40
    B: 100
    C: 30

    It's close to being bad enough to consider Shrugging or finding that Atlantis.
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  • Posted by $ arthuroslund 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I know someone who will sell 1000 acre parcels for $25 per acre. I would have to vet for serious offers and take a commission. Warning, the land is extremely remote. That means a difficult two to three day travel from Manaus, Br. Anyone interested should know how to handle themselves in the tropics and be aware that electricity requires a gas powered generator. Getting there by boat is only possible during high water and most of the land usually floods for several months every year. Houses are built on stilts.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Quite correct. I am a chemical engineering professor and have had a couple student groups do conceptual designs of desalination plants for freshmen projects.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There's still time to "change the road you're on" reminds me of Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin. There is still time, but the last grains in the hourglass are quickly approaching.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If we get to the point of building Atlantis, I will put you to work as my biomedical lab administrator. In the short term, send me a resume at jbrenner@fit.edu. I'll see if one of my biomedical engineering faculty colleagues has an opening for someone of your skills.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Coming as that does from the original poster, that sounds as if you mean what you say. That alone gives me some kind of hope.

    Think of me as "the writer who couldn't get his work published because the publishing houses were more interested in printing the kind of pabulum the looters appreciated."

    And who has already convered a good part of what wealth he has into gold and silver coin.
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Can America still change the road she's on? Can we stay and help in re-installing the great ideals she was built on? Or, is the spirit of America willing to leave America --instead of a brain drain, a spirit-drain?
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  • Posted by wiggys 10 years, 8 months ago
    things are atrocious here in the usa, but where would you like to go with respect to reality?
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 10 years, 8 months ago
    In a real Atlantis I would be deadweight and I have too much self-respect to whine "Oh, please take care of me." (But I the conservative libertarian can bang on a keyboard here!)
    I am a retired senior citizen with a fixed income and a couple of health issues. So this old dino is pretty much stuck in A),
    I have a #51 glimmer of hope that the Founders made this country strong enough to withstand the Obamanations it has suffered for the last 100 years and that eventually enough low information voters will finally wake the freak up for perceiving that they live in poodoo (a Star Wars prequel word) of their own making..
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  • Posted by Temlakos 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually I was more than a lab tech. I was a lab administrator. I wrote and revised "policies"--chiefly chapters of instruction on how to do certain kinds of lab tests, how to dissect an organ removed at surgery, things like that. And I was the go-to guy for any question about the handling of a specimen. I don't know that any of this would be a regular feature of battlefield or shipboard medicine. But those are the skills I can bring.

    I can also bring enough IT skills to mock up a new computer application.

    I'm sure I could also learn to field-dress a wild animal killed in a hunt. For reasons I don't have space to go into here, I cannot vouch for my accuracy in making a kill. But I have some knowledge of how to handle the kill afterward.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We'll gladly put you to work on what you described in B. We want you back to being a person instead of an unperson.
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  • Posted by DaveM49 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have been "shrugging" for some time, "hiding in plain sight" for now. Alas, I don't get vacations. Yet.

    I may well be qualified for a laborer's job in The Gulch. If so, I will accept it, on terms agreeable to me and to any employer.
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