If Atlantis does become a physical place, I will gladly charge you for power because I will have my own power company until someone buys me out and I can move on to something else.

Agreed and understood, jimslag. +1 for the reference to Mordor!

Understood, Arthur. That is pretty depressing, but accurate.

Strangely enough, I lived in an America that had those ideals. I didn't leave, but the ideals did. My bags are not packed, but can be made so quickly.

Being considered.

I can make my own desalination plant if I have to do so.

I am also an EMT (though my training was not recent) and have more than a passing familiarity with medicinal wild plants and medical techniques using only "available materials".

Does anyone know Larry Ellison?

Hence, I am looking for Midas Mulligan.

If you are interested in selling Amazonian parcels, there might be some interest in that area for a Gulch.

That's a response I expected. Thanks, tkstone.

You sound like first wave to me.

Keep a weather eye. You may be needed.

I already have left, to some extent. I have a house in a different country now.

...retired carrier?
With this administration you might be able to get one cheap and they are nuclear.

A cruise ship would not be a necessity. Options are many.

Wonder if he would talk to us about our other locale?

As I recollect, John Galt approached MM about coming to Atlantis. At least in AS1. I think MM owned the valley in question beforehand and only disappeared at JG's suggestion.

A. 0
B. 0
C. 00

Well, everyone has different situations. My own is that my parents moved to Belize back in February, so I have an out. It can flown to in a couple of hours or you can take your chances and drive through the "badlands" of the US/Mexico border in 3 days. The other thing I figure is with Obummer bringing all the Mexicans and Guatemalans and Hondurans to the US, those countries must be getting pretty unpopulated. So for the survey:
A:) 15 - US-New Mexico. Pretty far away from Mordor and most land in my area is state owned, not federal. Drops to 0 if Hilliary is elected.
B:) 75 - I would go for distributed, if all together, you would eventually get close to what we have now. Small communities are better.
C:) 10 - Little hope, chaos will come quickly and it will not be pretty.

A) US - Hope that the principles of the original Founders can be re-established? 90. Hope that that will happen BEFORE the US economy does a death spiral? 2

B) Is it the place or the philosophy that matters most?

C) I think that there is one major thing to think about when situating Atlantis: power. Rand recognized it (briefly), but it is still the biggest concern. Without energy, there is no heat for houses and no fire for the forge. While the concept of Atlantis is tantalizing, I'd make sure that there is power first and foremost. The cart is important, but secondary to the horse.

I am an electronic technician, general repairman, author, poet, photographer, almost computer tech (I don't have the course work, the certificate, or all of the skills), with wide-ranging skills in survival and self-reliance (professional experience in renewable small scale energy resources), researcher of long experience (still keep my skills sharp even in the age of the internet), certified appraiser of antiques and collectibles, and more. I can wire or plumb a house and if need be make some of my own tools. I can drive a nail as well as anyone and if there's nothing else available, I can run the business end of a shovel, chain saw, or axe. And more.

As long as there are people willing to trade value for value, there should be something on that list that will be of interest. If not, I am always willing to learn.

Being from Iowa, I would never go for a boat or island. I agree with your assessment of the cold to keep the looters (government agents) away. I have chosen the Amazon because I figure the climate, insects, diseases, etc. will keep the looters away. Also the Amazon is one of the few places left on earth where one can truly and easily live off the land.

You will need a cruise ship if you go to an island.
They have desalination plants on them.