My country: America, which exists in minds of those who remember the ideals America was supposed to stand for.
Ready to live in such a place.
My bags are packed.

A. My hope is for my fellow Americans to rediscover the value of freedom and not throw it away again. But I don't know that I can realistically expect that.

B. If Atlantis existed, especially as Rand described it, I would be there in a heartbeat, even if it meant learning how to be a lineman or a water-main fitter. In fact, if Ragnar Danneskjöld's ship sailed the seas, I would sign on even if it meant being a lowly deckhand! (I might have enough skill to be a corpsman or a lab tech in the Sick Bay of his ship.)

C. Right now I am an "unperson" according to the BLS. Anything's better than this.

To answer your question;
A-30
B-75 If I can farm;)
C-10

Understood, tkstone. I liked the Midwest when I lived there ... except during the winters. There was a town next to Badlands National Park in South Dakota for sale recently for $400 K that we looked at, for the reasons that you cited.

If Hawaii were to leave the union, a lot of things might change. With one owner of an island, maybe ... , but I doubt it, too.

Your situation will be similar to many Gulchers.

Understand. It seems most conversations on creating a gulch resonate toward an island or a structure at sea. I think both hold intellectual promise, but this midwest landlubber would never make that. I have just resignef myself to be one of those that disappears into the woodwork. We own property that is miles from the nearest road and on a significant river. Since it is in the frigid northern reaches of the Midwest, I figure there will not be a lot of interlopers. Most intelligent people flee the cold, but the land is incredibly fertile. I'll dream of you all on your tropical isle though.I wish you could see mine too. Even the winter has its beauty, and I think we will be just fine

He heh funny. I think gun ownership is pretty high on the outer islands. They want all handguns registered so if I pick one up while on the mainland, HPD wants me to tell them. There is a conceal permit but HPD will never approve one. Magazines have to be fairly small like 10 I think.

Lanai has way too many deer so residents can hunt every day if they want, and you hunt with a rifle, dang shotguns got no range. Game warden goes out at night and knocks a few off, then just gives to who ever. My father in law is on the short list so every once in a while we wake up to deer hanging in the garage.
Love the cruise ship idea, after working on boats for 16 years, I love chilling on a cruise.

Jbrenner - I thought that Hawaii is very unfriendly to firearms? No, actually, to the humans, not yet to the inanimate objects themselves......just wait.

tkstone - hungry......

5 years from now I will be in a better position but with the people we have running the country I may need to be ready sooner. Time will tell.

A. 60 but I think I may be a bit optimistic at this point.

B. 75 and I hope I'm underestimating!

C. I could leave right now, no problems except to figure out how to get medications without a doc and stuck with Medicare... I really hope we won't have to shrug, and with this forum available to me, it's easier to plan and not have to jump quite so fast.

Given those numbers, you sound like a candidate for Atlantis IF we make it nice enough. Fair enough.

You sound like a candidate for Atlantis, but probably not one of the earliest citizens. I would have considerable expense in moving lab equipment, too.

Several people are working on the where behind the scenes.

We can get freeheld islands. Getting outside territorial waters may be possible. Getting beyond 250 miles for complete sovereignty won't be possible.

The sailing experience here in the Gulch does make a cruise ship worth considering.

Thanks for your input, Tsul-Kalu. It's nice to meet you.

A - 20 and falling every election where people elect representatives that do not hold values similar to the founders of our country.

B- 50 and falling with each election, every tax increase and every executive order by our president.

C - less than A depending in when it falls. My business is difficult and expensive to move. The more that is free and clear the easier it would be to walk away.

I do believe the drop from 40 to 20 or less will happen quickly when it happens.

many of us in the gulch have sailing experience. I like the moving...

We have all witnessed the decay of the mind and the distortion of this country's great origin. I would embrace an opportunity to be a part of the rebuild. I just have not yet figured out the "where" that makes Atlantis a possibility.

My b & c are the same. I'd leave not out of desperation, but a huge upside in value. I'm interested in the development. My biggest concern is where do you get the property that can be sovereign? Without that component, it's constantly in flux, unless, it's truly undetectable. That is very interesting. If any of us can figure it out, assembling the necessary people will be a challenge worth the work

Hope for my current country? USA very little due to the non ethics of those in control / or who assume control of this nation, economy, education systems and media. All seem to be self centered, greedy, and drones. Morality is lacking on all levels, however there is hope. I see in the average person, and those who have real dreams, and seek as best they can to fulfill those dreams regardless of the obsticals placed before them by the Feds regulations, or society, or income levels, or health issues. Many still strive for the Dream of personal success that leads to assisting others succeed as they go from an idea to production to success personally or as a business, and by doing so trickle down economics works. So would I leave? If there was a place set up with like minded common sense hard workers and thinkers, maybe. I am a fighter and still at this time strive to achieve my dreams, I would like to assist others if possible in the future, and with a hope of restoring this country some day. However I see on the horizon, much of what was writen in Atlas Shrugs, some ways identical or even beyond it. When the time comes and the chains of stupidity by the politics, or super corps in bed with them seek to stop all people from success, then the nation / world will implode worse than Greece did. Then like minded folks will get together and weather out the storm that will take years to finalize, but then in time we shall rebuild the Earth and start over with those who understand what makes the engine of society, nations, families, work. And we shall start over. I think at this time there will be by natural causes or migrations of people to what some call Atlantis others Zion or what ever you name it, it will be places of safety and production during the dark times soon to come and from them we shall see the rebirth take place. Light and truth always has in the end conquered darkness, and so it shall. History does repeat. Good luck, work hard and smart and prepare the best you can. That is what I am doing, and yet I shall strive to publish the 1 novel of a 5 part series and hope the world likes them, even though it seems the world is on fire an some say why bother, we may not be around to read book 4 or 5, I say Dream Big, plan with common sense and reality and work hard.