My List of Places to Move To

Posted by Abaco 4 months, 4 weeks ago to Culture
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Well, looks like California has gone far enough over the edge to push me out. Early retirement is looming. Planned to get in 3 more years but it's looking like I'll have to cut it short and work where I'm going for a while, instead. I have a list of locations that interest me for various reasons and I hereby welcome your opinions if you've experienced any of these places:
1-Colorado Springs area (Woodland Park looks good)
2-Oro Valley, AZ
3-Prescott, AZ
4-Flagstaff, AZ

I have a few locations in NV that I already know fairly well that are on our list. I have a close friend in Colorado Springs area. She recommended Woodland Park.

I'm shocked at how eager lawmakers here are to keep up this constant fight against basic liberties. Can't take it. Won't subject my kids to it.


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  • Posted by 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    Many people I know have left here or are leaving in the next year. Many have gone to Idaho, and seem to really like it. Some have gone to Texas.

    Like rats leaving a sinking ship now. One lady friend of mine who has 3 kids was boxing her stuff when we were yapping on the phone last night....Idaho. Good people, all these people. Good, honest, families. Can't take it here anymore...
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    • Posted by term2 4 months, 3 weeks ago
      As far as neighbors would be concerned, I think I would like people who were closer to the earth, as it were, who know what its like to work for a living.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    I've been through Flagstaff a few times and stayed there a couple of times. It seemed like a nice place and even considered that as a destination for my wife and I. We have relatives in Phoenix, but I don't want to live in a desert. However, I've discovered that in winter Flagstaff can get as much (or more) snow as we do here in Western NY and the mountain passes can get buried. Part of my plan is to escape long deep snow winters nixing Flagstaff.

    My Phoenix relatives that want me to move there know I don't want to live in a desert and have nixed Flagstaff so they have highly suggested Prescott, which I have never been to. I have heard many good thing about Prescott and I will check it out on my next trip to Phoenix later this year.
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    • Posted by  $  Dobrien 4 months, 3 weeks ago
      We loved a side trip we took to Prescott returning from Sedona to Carefree. I wanted to check out Lake Watson. Give me your email on a PM and I will share some terrific photos.
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      • Posted by mccannon01 4 months, 3 weeks ago
        You're going to have to PM me if you can because I'm still in moocher status. I should be able to respond there. I'd like to elevate out of moocher, but can't at this time for a reason (it nothing to do with money and I do like the Gulch).
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  • Posted by  $  Solver 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    Walking away is one option. The equality of outcome cultist are spreading and there will always be a planet full of unequal individuals to covert to their faith. At least until they make everyone equally equal.

    It would be interesting if someone had a digital world map that showed the viral spread of this cult from the beginning and the dire future predictions if not stopped. Like in those end of the world movies.
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    • Posted by term2 4 months, 3 weeks ago
      We should all consider the idea of 'hiding in plain sight". As long as you are below the radar, as it were, you can ignore a lot of leftism- especially as you get older.
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      • Posted by 4 months, 3 weeks ago
        Yeah, I've been doing that here. But, they're keying in on the children here and I won't play ball with that.
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        • Posted by term2 4 months, 3 weeks ago
          I decided years ago NOT to have children into this society.

          Hiding in plain sight would require that you make yourself and the people in your tribe indistinguishable from other people in the area in which you are living . Children have a mind of their own and would have a tendency to "blow your cover" accidentally.
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          • Posted by 4 months, 3 weeks ago
            Raising children is getting extremely difficult. The system really thinks your kids belong to it. And, they don't give a damn about the well-being of your child.
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            • Posted by term2 4 months, 3 weeks ago
              One could legitimately say that the purpose of government programs is for the benefit of government itself and its minions (workers). Any benefit to the supposed recipients of the programs is purely icing on the cake and accidental. First they tell you there is a problem that can only be fixed by government. Then they remove all possibility of free market solutions. They they install the funding for their program and execute it. Then we find out later that it doesnt work, but the reason is that the government didnt get enough money to do it.

              Its all BS.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    Hitlery won Colorado Springs. Colorado actually selected Bernie Sanders as their Dem POTUS candidate.
    If you want to tolerate the wide range of temperatures, AZ is a better bet politically at the present time, John McCain and Phoenix's irrational lib voters notwithstanding.
    Prescott is quite a picturesque western town, imo, but I've not lived there.
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    • Posted by term2 4 months, 3 weeks ago
      AZ is turning leftist quickly though, especially in the last midterm election. Plus their state income tax is pretty steep, and its over run by hispanics from central america.
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      • Posted by DeanStriker 4 months ago
        I've lived mostly in AZ since 1964, starting in Prescott back when it was population 10,000, but now it's a mini-megopolis of over 10 times that and seems spoiled. Also spent way too much ne time near the Mexican border and finally escaped that moving to the Rockies in Northern Arizlona, higher, cooler and we're lovin' it here. Show Low area, . Taylor, Snowflake. all kinda rural and great climate.
        Tucson and Phoenix, forget them!
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    "Early retirement is looming."
    I'm averse to things looming.
    - I think the best places are where you have a network of people you trust.
    - If there's a career opportunity, that could overcome the drawbacks of moving to a place far from your network or that you don't like. You could take the money and experience and go wherever you want.
    - If you want a break, you can go any place that's relaxing to you.

    It's sort-of the trifecta if you can find a relaxing place that has friends and family and from where you can work.
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    • Posted by 4 months, 3 weeks ago
      Thanks. Good input. Had discussions with the fam last night. It will be between Carson City (a little family there and familiar golf...), and Oro Valley (looks like paradise). Research pending...

      California has completely lost its mind.
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  • Posted by GaryL 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    The problem as I see it is no matter where you decide to go there will be others that follow for very similar reasons. Too bad far too many of them bring their political BS with them and in a very short time they will ruin the place they escaped to.
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    • Posted by 4 months, 3 weeks ago
      Those who love what abhor will stay here in Cali. I've heard your theory before, though. See my notes here on the slow, steady decline and creep into leftism across this one-great nation.
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  • Posted by 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    Something I've come to realize in my research...If a place has nice weather and pleasant natural surroundings the leftists are trying to take it over. Where are they not going? North Dakota? I have even read things that indicate I should avoid the Boise area to avoid them. I can tolerate leftism to a level...to the point where I can "hide in plain sight" as is mentioned here. I'm trying to get my kids to adulthood without the officials prying into every facet of how I raise them. That's coming to an end here in California. So...it's a study of where can I go where the chances of getting mugged are low, there aren't tent cities everywhere, there are some great outdoor activities and the schools are good. You'd be amazed how hard that is to find these days...all a sign of leftists creeping in everywhere. We are living in interesting times. Problem is here in California we're on the bleeding edge of totalitarianism and bureaucracy prying itself into families. I view the family structure and culture as a foundational component of civilization. It's viewed here as a cancer, a threat. Without getting into the details...I can hardly listen to the radio on my drive in to work in the mornings without hearing a flood of propaganda. It's like we're living in a horror movie out here.

    Leftists desire being elected because they thirst for control. I think the whole nation is subject to a slow transition in that direction...leftist control. If I can just get my kids to adulthood the way I want the battle is done and won.
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  • Posted by term2 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    I think Colorado and Arizona are turning leftist, so I would be hesitant to go there. Plus they have state income taxes, so there is more government to contend with.

    I live in Nevada, but its turning leftist also. At least there isnt a state income tax YET, but its been over run by leftists from California.

    I think Utah might be a good place. The fear of being around mormons kept out the minorities to a substantial degree, which means its a more homogenous society. I think the mormons will leave you alone if you leave them alone. I think there is a state income tax though.

    Florida has no income tax, as I think is the case for Wyoming and perhaps Texas. I figure the higher the taxes, the more collectivism there is.
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  • Posted by  $  rockymountainpirate 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    Flagstaff is nice. I went to school there for one semester. It's up on the Mugion Rim, so you have some altitude and it gets snow in the winter. Colorado has also lost it's mind, so I wouldn't go there. Carson City is great. I loved Reno when I lived there and it was still the Biggest Little City in the World. Now it's pretty expensive. Fallon is a bit cheaper option, but you don't have the Sierras in your back yard there, just Top Gun. It also snows in Northern Nevada. Nevada has no state income tax which is a plus, as does Wyoming. I like Montana, no sales tax, but state income tax. Some areas even still have their brains in place. If you want to know about NW Montana you can ask me.
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    • Posted by term2 4 months, 3 weeks ago
      Nevada is overrun by california leftists, who, after milking goodies from california, are moving into Nevada to milk it in the future before IT goes BK.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    Where is Texas on your List?

    FL could use some conservatives, and NO state income tax.

    Same with TN.
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    • Posted by 4 months, 3 weeks ago
      My colleague here in the office is going to TX. Frankly...I'm not sold and would need to spend some time there to be sure. I know it's promising. I also noticed that it's in the crosshairs of the leftists. I like Florida.
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    • Posted by term2 4 months, 3 weeks ago
      Florida is the land of the newlywed and nearly dead . The nearly dead want to be left alone to live on their savings, social security, and medicare. Its also HOT and humid with horrendous electrical bills.
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      • Posted by CaptainKirk 4 months, 3 weeks ago
        I grew up in MI, lived here, and have a summer place in TN.
        TN has the cheapest of all 3 in every way.

        In MI, my dad spends $100+ on ELECTRIC during the winter and $100+ on GAS during the winter!

        It aint cheap. Long winters drain him.

        In FL, we we are at 62 degrees today. We have AWESOME weather from Oct 15th through Apr 30th.

        From June - Sep 15th it is ROUGH and HOT. But I work in front of a PC in A/C, and EVERY place I go has A/C.
        (I usually spend those months in the Mountains of TN. When we do, the electric bill here is like $65/mo, LOL)

        Our average electric bill is $140/month, lows BELOW 100 and highs at about $211 (recently because of a 20% rise in pricing).
        We keep a constant 76 when we are here and 82 when we are not. It takes 36hrs for the house to properly cool off when we get back,
        as EVERYTHING in the house is 82!

        But it's easy to cool off... I am far more sensitive to the cold now (especially after losing 112 lbs)...
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        TN, btw, ranges from $49 -> $170 (worse month in winter) to keep the house heated to 62, or A/C to 76.
        ==

        After a lifetime in MI, where you get 2-3 good months, and up to 9 bad months of weather... I will gladly take FL for the win.
        The property taxes are a bit high, and ALL INSURANCE is through the roof.
        Houses cost too much, but have to be made of Concrete Block and have $30,000 roofs for hurricane protection.

        We were planning to retire to TN in a few years. We have changed our minds based on how cold the winters get, and how few services are available near us. We will reserve that for when we are TRULY nearly dead.

        It's where the cubans come to live, and the NY Jews come to die... LOL. (That's the one we hear the most)
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        • Posted by term2 4 months, 3 weeks ago
          I live in Vegas, where its cold for 3 months (lows of like 30 but mostly 50-60 during the day), 3 months of HOT in summer (over 100), and the remaining 6 months its very pleasant.

          I have an underground basement which amazingly enough stays about 68 in winter by itself, and below 85 in summer. Its a great idea if you are moving to tough climate. The ground stays a pretty constant temperature. Given the potential collapse of our economy when the collectivism takes its toll (like Venezuela), one should be mindful of how to live without a lot of need for outside utilities.
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  • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    Flagstaff is at the top of a mountain isn't it?...seem to remember a nice town there on the way to california back in the 70s...would be a good place to ride out the magnetic polar reversal...likely in the next 27 years.
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  • Posted by  $  jlc 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    I too have been thinking about this, and have come up with (and eliminated items from) a list very similar to what is discussed in this thread. I would like to add some thoughts and get feedback.

    The reason that CA has such pleasant weather is that it is one of the handful of places in the world with a "Mediterranean Climate", but if you are in SoCal and not near the ocean then the summer months are too hot to do anything outdoors. I love the outdoors and it is increasingly onerous to not be able to do anything after work in the summer months here in LA. Carson City it technically in the border of the Med Climate Region, and I am waiting to see what the weather is like there in the summer - whether one can hike and ride during the afternoon in July and August. (Since there are people here on this list with more knowledge of the area, I would like to hear back). It is certainly COLD in the winter in CC - 37 today vs 71 here in SoCal.

    CA may not be a great place to live, but it is a good place to visit and living in Texas would make that hard. (I had pretty much decided on Austin at one point, but have now recanted. Austin is now a prime contender for Amazon campus, which will certainly alter the area.) From NV, at least I can visit my CA friends.

    Yes, a Mormon population does seem to be a good buffer against leftist migration. I am not religious, but I have gotten along well with Mormons in the past - and Carson City seems to have a population thereof.

    NV lacks a seacoast, which is really bad. That is the major advantage that TX has: if TSHTF, then Texas has both resources and coastline.

    Just some thoughts.

    Jan
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  • Posted by  $  Stormi 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    We actually talked seriously of moving to Colorado Springs, but it is a liberal area long term. Love AZ, Flagstaff is expensive but beautiful. Prescott and Oro Valley are nice, but hot. I grew up in Texas, N. Mexico, Wyo. and ND, with uncle in Pheonix (too hot) and gransparents in Calif, L.AA. area, to wacky. I do love Payson, AZ, rugged, does get snow, but my uncle had a second home there when Phoenix got too hot, and we always tried to meet up there. Roswell, N.M. is a nice retirement area, and only about an hur from the mountains if you get hot.
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  • Posted by  $  pixelate 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    I am similarly thinking about relocating.
    My past 27 years have been working in Washington State. No state income tax.
    I recently retired. . . so the state income tax is no longer a big deal . . .
    Climate and "interesting places to hike and see" with affordable housing are topping the list.
    - Stayed in and drove through Flagstaff AZ March 7-8... Terrible snowstorm -- they have a high elevation - get lots of snow.... drove 2 hours to Page AZ... beautiful blue sky and just plain nice.
    - Spent a day and a half in Sierra Vista AZ ... about 12 miles north of the border with Mexico.
    My friend that moved from from WA state says summers get up to 93F (unlike 114F for Phoenix) ... and there are loads of hiking trails, hills, low population density and home prices are reasonable... Sierra Vista is on my list.
    - Driving out of Death Valley through Panamint Springs then onto US 395 heading North ... going through Lone Pine, Independence, Big Pine and Bishop ... nice little towns ... beautiful views of the mountains to the West . . . I will need to drive through there again this summer and make inquiries.
    - St. George Utah -- great location ... only seven hours (max) drive from all the Utah Natl Parks, plus Grand Canyon and sundry other wonderful trekking locales. And although I am a member of no religion, I do tend to like Mormon Country and a few of my closest friends are Mormons.
    - Nowhere Oregon ... lots of wide open spaces remain in S.E. Oregon ... I was at a hot springs there many years ago -- Alvord Hot Springs. Spoke with one of the natives. She had a place (would not divulge the location) and had been living off the grid for a few years. Lots of open country to disappear into.
    - Default -- Remain in Eastern Washington for the relatively mild winters, lovely spring plus warm summer and fall.

    In all likelihood, I will stay put with E. Washington as my home base as I explore over the next two years... someplace in Southern Nevada or Arizona would be my target in term of my current outlook.
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  • Posted by jimslag 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    Colorado Springs area is nice, woodland park is also. Another good place is the Monument/Palmer Lakes Area, it is just below Monument Hill which usually closes a couple of times in the Winter. I live just north of there in a town called Castle Rock. Good schools but housing is getting closer into the pricier Denver Metro Area as it is an easy commute into the Denver area proper. Larkspur is right in between Castle Rock and Monument (north side of Monument Hill) and Castle Pines (just north of Castle Rock and more convenient to Denver). My cousin lives on the east side of Colorado Springs and loves it. I love Castle Rock but unless I get a better job, I am being priced out of the rental market, already priced out of buying. Please if you do come here, leave CA in the rear view, we are already becoming East California as far as politics. Colorado Springs up to Douglas County are conservative but Denver/Boulder has enough people to override the rest of the state for votes.
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  • Posted by  $  Suzanne43 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    We here in Indiana would like to build a fence around our state to keep the Liberals out. But we would love to have you. It's a quiet state and flat, but if you find beauty in corn and wheat fields, Indiana might be for you.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    I live in Sedona Arizona, unfortunately the prices for homes or land to build on has sky rocketed. I moved here 29 years ago and I'm not going to move any where else. I would would recommend Prescot Valley, Prescott proper wuould be a little pricey. Oro Valley is a nice area but you would be building a home in the middle of no-where. Flagstaff is a fairley large city @ 7k ft. living there would take some acclimatization. It gets pretty cold with a large snowfall at times (like this year). Home and land prices vary there. The out skirts of the city the homes and land are less expensive. I hope this helps.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    You might consider Oklahoma, still the most conservative state. The Oklahoma City metropolitan area has very affordable housing, low cost of living, and a thriving labor market for both blue collar and professionals. It's a big medical center, with lots of advanced treatment facilities and specialists. The Oklahoma River (actually a dammed up stretch of the Canadian River) has Olympic qualified white water runs and canals run through the Bricktown entertainment section of town. Cultural life is pretty good, with an orchestra, museums, and multiple playhouses, with Broadway plays on a regular basis. Thanks to a diverse cultural makeup, there's a wide variety of restaurants offering Asian, European, Middle Eastern, Hispanic, and African tastes, besides some top quality steakhouses.

    Oklahoma City is on the junction of I-40 and I-35, so road travel East, West, North, or South is easy. Will Rogers airport is a well developed travel center, and Amtrak has a line between Fort Worth and Oklahoma City, so rail travel is available.
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  • Posted by  $  dukem 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    I strongly recommend going to https://www.bestplaces.net/ for very detailed metrics about any place in the U.S., including climate, politics and many other ways to measure quality of life according to your standards.
    I've been using it for over 10 years in searches for places to go to escape where I was at the time. I have come down to Prescott and Prescott Valley as the place that gives me my particular combination of necessary characteristics. Of course, I live in the Santa Fe area now (don't ask), so almost any place is better, if I only measure politics. BestPlaces gives way over a hundred metrics and is highly user friendly.
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  • Posted by bsmith51 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    My dream was to retire in Payson, AZ, and we took a couple of trips there to check it out. On our second trip, though, the sage was in full pollination mode; everything was covered in yellow. Despite having no known allergies before or since, we had to get out of there, we were so miserable. So be sure to really check the places out before committing to them. $.02
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