My List of Places to Move To
Well, looks like California has gone far enough over the edge to push me out. Early retirement is looming. Planned to get in 3 more years but it's looking like I'll have to cut it short and work where I'm going for a while, instead. I have a list of locations that interest me for various reasons and I hereby welcome your opinions if you've experienced any of these places:
1-Colorado Springs area (Woodland Park looks good)
2-Oro Valley, AZ
3-Prescott, AZ
4-Flagstaff, AZ
I have a few locations in NV that I already know fairly well that are on our list. I have a close friend in Colorado Springs area. She recommended Woodland Park.
I'm shocked at how eager lawmakers here are to keep up this constant fight against basic liberties. Can't take it. Won't subject my kids to it.
1-Colorado Springs area (Woodland Park looks good)
2-Oro Valley, AZ
3-Prescott, AZ
4-Flagstaff, AZ
I have a few locations in NV that I already know fairly well that are on our list. I have a close friend in Colorado Springs area. She recommended Woodland Park.
I'm shocked at how eager lawmakers here are to keep up this constant fight against basic liberties. Can't take it. Won't subject my kids to it.
If you want to tolerate the wide range of temperatures, AZ is a better bet politically at the present time, John McCain and Phoenix's irrational lib voters notwithstanding.
Prescott is quite a picturesque western town, imo, but I've not lived there.
Tucson and Phoenix, forget them!
Like rats leaving a sinking ship now. One lady friend of mine who has 3 kids was boxing her stuff when we were yapping on the phone last night....Idaho. Good people, all these people. Good, honest, families. Can't take it here anymore...
$h it Hole the libs are turning the golden state into.
My Phoenix relatives that want me to move there know I don't want to live in a desert and have nixed Flagstaff so they have highly suggested Prescott, which I have never been to. I have heard many good thing about Prescott and I will check it out on my next trip to Phoenix later this year.
It would be interesting if someone had a digital world map that showed the viral spread of this cult from the beginning and the dire future predictions if not stopped. Like in those end of the world movies.
Hiding in plain sight would require that you make yourself and the people in your tribe indistinguishable from other people in the area in which you are living . Children have a mind of their own and would have a tendency to "blow your cover" accidentally.
Its all BS.
Busy turning it into the mess they attempted to escape from.
Leftists desire being elected because they thirst for control. I think the whole nation is subject to a slow transition in that direction...leftist control. If I can just get my kids to adulthood the way I want the battle is done and won.
I live in Nevada, but its turning leftist also. At least there isnt a state income tax YET, but its been over run by leftists from California.
I think Utah might be a good place. The fear of being around mormons kept out the minorities to a substantial degree, which means its a more homogenous society. I think the mormons will leave you alone if you leave them alone. I think there is a state income tax though.
Florida has no income tax, as I think is the case for Wyoming and perhaps Texas. I figure the higher the taxes, the more collectivism there is.
Taking a trip to Oro Valley soon with my kids for research. Looks very promising. And...I can find work I love in Tuscon...unlike what's happened here in California.
Very Liberal in Flag though.
FL could use some conservatives, and NO state income tax.
Same with TN.
TN has the cheapest of all 3 in every way.
In MI, my dad spends $100+ on ELECTRIC during the winter and $100+ on GAS during the winter!
It aint cheap. Long winters drain him.
In FL, we we are at 62 degrees today. We have AWESOME weather from Oct 15th through Apr 30th.
From June - Sep 15th it is ROUGH and HOT. But I work in front of a PC in A/C, and EVERY place I go has A/C.
(I usually spend those months in the Mountains of TN. When we do, the electric bill here is like $65/mo, LOL)
Our average electric bill is $140/month, lows BELOW 100 and highs at about $211 (recently because of a 20% rise in pricing).
We keep a constant 76 when we are here and 82 when we are not. It takes 36hrs for the house to properly cool off when we get back,
as EVERYTHING in the house is 82!
But it's easy to cool off... I am far more sensitive to the cold now (especially after losing 112 lbs)...
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TN, btw, ranges from $49 -> $170 (worse month in winter) to keep the house heated to 62, or A/C to 76.
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After a lifetime in MI, where you get 2-3 good months, and up to 9 bad months of weather... I will gladly take FL for the win.
The property taxes are a bit high, and ALL INSURANCE is through the roof.
Houses cost too much, but have to be made of Concrete Block and have $30,000 roofs for hurricane protection.
We were planning to retire to TN in a few years. We have changed our minds based on how cold the winters get, and how few services are available near us. We will reserve that for when we are TRULY nearly dead.
It's where the cubans come to live, and the NY Jews come to die... LOL. (That's the one we hear the most)
I have an underground basement which amazingly enough stays about 68 in winter by itself, and below 85 in summer. Its a great idea if you are moving to tough climate. The ground stays a pretty constant temperature. Given the potential collapse of our economy when the collectivism takes its toll (like Venezuela), one should be mindful of how to live without a lot of need for outside utilities.
I'm averse to things looming.
- I think the best places are where you have a network of people you trust.
- If there's a career opportunity, that could overcome the drawbacks of moving to a place far from your network or that you don't like. You could take the money and experience and go wherever you want.
- If you want a break, you can go any place that's relaxing to you.
It's sort-of the trifecta if you can find a relaxing place that has friends and family and from where you can work.
California has completely lost its mind.
The reason that CA has such pleasant weather is that it is one of the handful of places in the world with a "Mediterranean Climate", but if you are in SoCal and not near the ocean then the summer months are too hot to do anything outdoors. I love the outdoors and it is increasingly onerous to not be able to do anything after work in the summer months here in LA. Carson City it technically in the border of the Med Climate Region, and I am waiting to see what the weather is like there in the summer - whether one can hike and ride during the afternoon in July and August. (Since there are people here on this list with more knowledge of the area, I would like to hear back). It is certainly COLD in the winter in CC - 37 today vs 71 here in SoCal.
CA may not be a great place to live, but it is a good place to visit and living in Texas would make that hard. (I had pretty much decided on Austin at one point, but have now recanted. Austin is now a prime contender for Amazon campus, which will certainly alter the area.) From NV, at least I can visit my CA friends.
Yes, a Mormon population does seem to be a good buffer against leftist migration. I am not religious, but I have gotten along well with Mormons in the past - and Carson City seems to have a population thereof.
NV lacks a seacoast, which is really bad. That is the major advantage that TX has: if TSHTF, then Texas has both resources and coastline.
Just some thoughts.
Jan
My past 27 years have been working in Washington State. No state income tax.
I recently retired. . . so the state income tax is no longer a big deal . . .
Climate and "interesting places to hike and see" with affordable housing are topping the list.
- Stayed in and drove through Flagstaff AZ March 7-8... Terrible snowstorm -- they have a high elevation - get lots of snow.... drove 2 hours to Page AZ... beautiful blue sky and just plain nice.
- Spent a day and a half in Sierra Vista AZ ... about 12 miles north of the border with Mexico.
My friend that moved from from WA state says summers get up to 93F (unlike 114F for Phoenix) ... and there are loads of hiking trails, hills, low population density and home prices are reasonable... Sierra Vista is on my list.
- Driving out of Death Valley through Panamint Springs then onto US 395 heading North ... going through Lone Pine, Independence, Big Pine and Bishop ... nice little towns ... beautiful views of the mountains to the West . . . I will need to drive through there again this summer and make inquiries.
- St. George Utah -- great location ... only seven hours (max) drive from all the Utah Natl Parks, plus Grand Canyon and sundry other wonderful trekking locales. And although I am a member of no religion, I do tend to like Mormon Country and a few of my closest friends are Mormons.
- Nowhere Oregon ... lots of wide open spaces remain in S.E. Oregon ... I was at a hot springs there many years ago -- Alvord Hot Springs. Spoke with one of the natives. She had a place (would not divulge the location) and had been living off the grid for a few years. Lots of open country to disappear into.
- Default -- Remain in Eastern Washington for the relatively mild winters, lovely spring plus warm summer and fall.
In all likelihood, I will stay put with E. Washington as my home base as I explore over the next two years... someplace in Southern Nevada or Arizona would be my target in term of my current outlook.
Southern Utah and the Arizona Strip are lovely also.
Oklahoma City is on the junction of I-40 and I-35, so road travel East, West, North, or South is easy. Will Rogers airport is a well developed travel center, and Amtrak has a line between Fort Worth and Oklahoma City, so rail travel is available.
I've been using it for over 10 years in searches for places to go to escape where I was at the time. I have come down to Prescott and Prescott Valley as the place that gives me my particular combination of necessary characteristics. Of course, I live in the Santa Fe area now (don't ask), so almost any place is better, if I only measure politics. BestPlaces gives way over a hundred metrics and is highly user friendly.