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  • Posted by Roland_Porter 4 months ago
    The problem is the incompatibility of our two separate sets of cultural customs.
    As harsh as it is to say, some cultures are just savage and barbaric. Honor killings have no place in the West.
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  • Posted by  $  allosaur 3 months, 4 weeks ago
    Muslims do not migrate into foreign cultures to assimilate.
    It is to contribute toward the holy effort to create a worldwide caliphate in accordance to the commands of the Quran.
    Allahu akbar! Slavery and death for all infidels!
    Erase all signs of infidel religious cultures--ancient and modern--from the face of the earth.
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  • Posted by  $  3 months, 4 weeks ago
    To all you friends who commented on my tirade about Muslims....thanks. I feel much better. I was feeling sorry for myself because all this political stuff was coming at me. I feel better knowing how you all feel! Love and kisses....N
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  • Posted by RoycePowers 3 months, 4 weeks ago
    They do not understand live and let live, they are incompatible with any other culture and should not have been allowed here, I cringe at thoughts of what my children and grandchildren are going to go through I don't think they are going to change or go away just continue to spread and take over.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 3 months, 4 weeks ago
    There's a world out there saying "[insert various group identity] are outsiders and need to change." There's another world where I live where people off different backgrounds work together every day with no need to obsess about group identity or brand other as outsiders. Amazingly, we see each other at UU services, where over half of us are "atheists with children" (as the joke goes), but a good fraction are people from different faith backgrounds who are married or people get some comfort from their faith background but are opposed to taking scripture literally.

    A good book on interacting with people from other faith backgrounds is How to Be a Perfect Stranger.

    My wife and I are humanist atheists. We had a friend who was Jehovah's Witness. It was against her religion to recognize any holidays or even to say happy birthday. Did we make it clear to her that it's the predominate custom in America to recognize birthdays and that she is in a minority that must adapt and graciously accept our tolerance of her beliefs? Did we point out that UUs would (theoretically) be more accepting of her than her church would be of atheists? Did we reminde her that trees and religious festivals have deep roots in many cultures, and if she can't take most of the world is undeveloped, so she could go there? Obviously not!

    I'd like to see the US, or more likely some other country, maybe some micronation, become more of model of liberty, with very few laws but strictly enforced. Come to America. It's an idea of liberty, not an ethnicity. Bring your lifestyle, as long as it doesn't break the law. You can have your Lexus without giving up your olive tree.
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    • Posted by  $  blarman 3 months, 4 weeks ago
      The question is whether or not the "cultural" or religious aspects of one's life are actually pointing them in a positive direction and whether or not they interfere with someone else attempting the same. If you are bringing something from your culture which interferes from you becoming an American and adopting the virtues of freedom and independence, please don't come here.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 3 months, 3 weeks ago
        "If you are bringing something from your culture which interferes from you becoming an American and adopting the virtues of freedom and independence"
        That's the easy part. The hard part is "cultural aspects of [American] life" not supportive of freedom and independence.
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        • Posted by  $  blarman 3 months, 3 weeks ago
          I'm not sure what you are referring to. America is the most freedom-loving nation on earth. I was referring to cultural issues people bring with them that are incompatible with the freedom we enjoy here in America.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 3 months, 3 weeks ago
            "America is the most freedom-loving nation on earth."
            Yes. When an American hears "he rejected all the plans his family had and his religious community to do what he wanted," an American's first thought is "good for him". In much of the world it's "who does he think he is?"

            America is great. We've expanded the idea of people living their dreams without interference to everyone, regardless of background or physical attributes. But there is also an element of Roman decadence. The ideals of personal liberty seem to many people like good concepts but not applicable to the modern world.

            What I'm referring to is how we keep that passion for liberty alive a century after becoming so successful it feels like freedom comes for free.

            I am all for rejecting people who want to immigrate but have clear anti-freedom views. A much, much bigger problem is people who are born here but take freedom for granted.
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            • Posted by  $  blarman 3 months, 3 weeks ago
              "A much, much bigger problem is people who are born here but take freedom for granted."

              I agree that it is a huge problem.

              As to what to do? I think we must do a better job of teaching the Declaration of Independence and Constitution to our children. Math, science, etc. are all great, but it goes back to a quote from Jurassic Park “Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.”
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 3 months, 2 weeks ago
                "I think we must do a better job of teaching the Declaration of Independence and Constitution to our children. Math, science, etc. "
                I don't have the solution to this huge problem, but I agree with more teaching of things like the Declaration of Independence and math and science. The tools of reason, including math and science, are helpful in understanding liberty.

                I also wonder about the very controversial idea of denying people the right to vote if they clearly have no idea what they're voting for. There is so much potential for this to be abused that it may be impractical. My idea is certainly not for it to be partisan or racist. It just seems to me like you should to show some proficiency to vote.

                I think a spirit of liberty would come out of having fewer laws and having a citizen militia who keep and own their own equipment and weapons. Anything that asks people to take responsibility or denies opportunities to turn over responsibility to someone else could help. Decriminalizing drugs could be part of it. Ending any notion of banning products that are safe when used properly but not idiot-proof could help. These sound like effects of liberty rather than causes, but I wonder if they could be a virtuous cycle where liberty begets more liberty.
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                • Posted by  $  blarman 3 months, 2 weeks ago
                  I think that what you are getting at is more personal responsibility - and I totally agree. Our society has moved so far away from that in nearly every aspect that I doubt anything small is going to return us to any degree of sanity. It starts with the welfare program problem, and unless we address that one very soon, its going to melt down on its own and destroy the economy. Social Security is already insolvent and the date at which it becomes a massive problem keeps creeping forward. You know those idiot Green New Dealers who are complaining that the world is going to end in twelve years? Social Security will die sooner than that, and it will invoke some actual hand-wringing and hardship.

                  As to voting, my idea is simply that if you are receiving government handouts (welfare, etc.), you don't get to vote in Federal elections.

                  “When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.” - Benjamin Franklin
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    • Posted by mccannon01 3 months, 4 weeks ago
      As far as I know Jehovah's Witnesses don't have a "jihad thing" towards unbelievers. They've been around for over a century and have chalked up ZERO terrorist acts. The fact they don't believe in Christmas trees is a big "so what?". Becoming a Jehovah's Witness is voluntary and anyone can leave without threats.
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      • Posted by  $  Suzanne43 3 months, 4 weeks ago
        About the only thing that I find annoying about Jehaovah's Witnesses is that they always come to the door when I am busy. I wish that's all the Muslims were guilty of.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 3 months, 3 weeks ago
        [Ironic suggestion] We could make a matrix, like a spreadsheet, with rows of group identities and rates of various behaviors as the columns. But it gets complicated when people are members of multiple identity groups.Maybe [/Ironic suggestion] it's better to just skip the whole approach of telling people they're outsiders based on their group membership and just treat people as individuals. Not only is leaving people and their olive trees alone the right thing to do, but it's what generates Lexuses (or is it Lexera?).
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        • Posted by  $  blarman 3 months, 3 weeks ago
          That's the Progressive approach: divide people up into groups and classes. I don't want to divide people up - that's what is causing so many problems in the first place! I want people coming here to adopt basic American values: hard work, integrity, personal responsibility, etc.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 3 months, 3 weeks ago
            That's what I came away with from the three Rand books I read: Let everyone do her own thing, and never feel bad about acknowledging when someone gets something done. We're all "someones", so value our own individual work and lives, etc.
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        • Posted by mccannon01 3 months, 3 weeks ago
          "Not only is leaving people and their olive trees alone the right thing to do..." That works when the courtesy is mutual, but there seems to be a lot of GROUPS out there that want to kill the entire American olive grove and replace it with there own.
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  • Posted by  $  Stormi 3 months, 4 weeks ago
    They understand, they just don't care. Their view is death to infidels - us, unless we convert to their religion. Their way of taking over is to move in and expect others to become like them, not to for them to blend in. It just never will work for the USA.
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  • Posted by  $  Snezzy 3 months, 4 weeks ago
    They'll gladly play games with you, but it's by their rules. You don't even get to see the rulebook.

    We provide pony rides for little kids. Almost every single time I have done a party or festival for them, something has gone wrong, often seriously wrong. Thus far nobody has been injured, but it's nearly impossible to get things done my way instead of their way. They don't listen, especially when my wife is talking. Some boys started a soccer game during a birthday party. She told them to go around the other side of the house so the ball didn't frighten the ponies. Her words had no effect. I think she stopped doing rides and packed up and left.

    Some people have told us, "It's cultural. You'll just have to get used to it." No, it's religious. My wife says, "Never again! YOU do those parties. I won't. They don't listen to me."
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    • Posted by TheRealBill 3 months, 3 weeks ago
      Those people can take a fast, long walk on a short pier. “It’s cultural” is own if the most bullshit excuses you can use. Nazi germany had a culture of anti-semitism (stoked by opportunists). Only Progressives could claim some are oppressed while excusing what they call oppression as a “cultural” thing to get used to.

      Seriously. Consider for a moment this narrative of a “rape culture” on college campuses. Well, if that were true that’d be a “cultural thing” right? Now in reality there is a rape culture, but it isn’t present on American college campuses, rather it as deeply embedded in Islamic “culture”. Lest you think that comparison too extreme, that “cultural “ argument is already making the rounds in European governments.
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  • Posted by term2 3 months, 4 weeks ago
    I think that accepting muslims into our country is a big mistake. Inherent in Islam is the "kill the infidels" mantra. I am an infidel for sure, so they want to kill me. I therefore want nothing to do with such a worthless culture. If they disavow that part of Islam, I might change my mind.
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