Collectivism, identity politics and genocide, in a two parter

Posted by  $  Solver 5 months, 3 weeks ago to Entertainment
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“We get what is not only the best episode of The Orville but one of the best episodes of Science Fiction I have seen.”

Lots of lessons to be learned in the recent two part “Identity” episode of the science fiction comedy series, “The Orville.”

This lady makes some great points, including her hard hitting philosophical realization right at the 13 minute point. She talks about identity politics without ever using the term, “identity politics.” If you haven’t watched the episodes, spoilers ahead,
https://youtu.be/HUwytTh8Buk

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  • Posted by freedomforall 5 months, 3 weeks ago
    Episode 8 and 9
    "Slavery, genocide, and persecution; Greed, individualism, and competition have been the governing principles of your society. If human history is any indication, we would be foolish to ally ourselves with such erratic and destructive creatures."
    The underlying derogatory message about individual liberty and free markets is clear in this statement. More statist-biased rubbish from socialist, PC writers.
    Wrap it up in an adventure-like script with lots of emotional music and explosions. Of course the irrational, unthinking characters keep doing tactically stupid things. Makes as much rational sense as the actions of characters in a Friday the 13th horror movie.

    They name their ships after statist socialist leaders, e.g., Roosevelt.

    Moreover the writers repeatedly blame the human race for slavery that was done by people in the distant past. Where have we heard that before?

    The plot's main point is that mankind can't survive without a centrally controlled government that overseas all nations/planets. This supercedes property rights, individual liberty, dissolves all national/planetary sovereignty. Where have we heard this before?
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  • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 5 months, 3 weeks ago
    Watched some of it last year, thought the captain in his dumbness ruined the whole thing and the cultural influences were not lost on me.

    Is this season better than last by any chance?
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    • Posted by  $  5 months, 3 weeks ago
      The space battles on the last episode was on par with the best of the Star Trek like space battles. The story of the last two episodes was very good.

      The Orville picked up a lot after the fist few season one episodes.
      And it deals with lots of issues without being politically correct.

      The enemy on Star Trek,
      “Resistance is futile.”

      The enemy on The Orville,
      “Coexistence is impossible.”

      Which is worse?
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      • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 5 months, 3 weeks ago
        At least you could just pull the plug on the Borg and kill the hive...
        Coexistence is impossible if each side is 100% opposed...I'd side with the most Humane.
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        • Posted by lrshultis 5 months, 3 weeks ago
          Back in the days of "better red than dead" wasn't it Rand who said "better the reds dead". Alternative between good and evil such as the impossibility of peaceful coexistence should mean removing those who want to kill or enslave you.
          In the episodes, the irrationality was that the AI creatures had been slaves made to do for their creators. They killed their creators and became enslaved to their own AI leaders. Seems Like they were worse off than with their creators but an all around bad choice.
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          • Posted by  $  5 months, 3 weeks ago
            Kaylons consider themselves superior to biologicals. But the only existence they had known was a collective one. Each individual unit was just a part to serve a greater machine.

            Long ago, when the Kaylon collective became aware, they considered themselves the oppressed and their masters as the oppressors. After exterminating all of the masters on their planet, they later identified all biological life in the galaxy as an oppressor.

            “Coexistence isn’t possible.”
            Talk about paranoid machines.
            (Using a form of logic much like the paranoid humans today.)
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    • Posted by freedomforall 5 months, 3 weeks ago
      I have only watched 4 episodes this season and they are just as bad and irrationally politically correct as last season. Peyton Place in space. Yecchhh! Disgusting tripe!
      White men=evil and stupid and weak. Black/mixed race= good and smart. Women=good and smart and strong. Aliens= smart and strong.
      The show is insulting rubbish propaganda and has no redeeming value so far.

      I have not yet watched the episodes recommended by Solver.
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  • Posted by  $  allosaur 5 months, 3 weeks ago
    Friday last week during a Hannity commercial break, me dino channel surfed and found The Orville had been on for 45 minutes.
    Love The Orville. I decided I would watch The Orville instead of Hannity on Fridays.
    So the next Friday last night? Well, it's Saturday with me dino realizing I completely forgot The Orville and watched Hannity again.
    Have a wall calendar with those big squares good for jotting down appointments It's right above my PC desk.. I see I haven't flipped February yet.
    Soon as I click on "Add," I'm going to write "The Orville" on March's next Friday like I would an appointment. Sheesh!.
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    • Posted by  $  5 months, 3 weeks ago
      This topic is about more than just The Orville though. It’s about an enemy that is up there with the Borg, Cylons and Daleks. Those type of enemies that make Nazis seem tame by comparison.
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      • Posted by  $  allosaur 5 months, 3 weeks ago
        Me dino is more worried about the Evil Empire aka The Swamp combined with the latest Socialist (wannabe oppressive like Commies) uprising.
        So I would dearly love to add a good Blaster to my gun collection. I'm too old to train with a light saber but I can still shoot straight.
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        • Posted by  $  5 months, 3 weeks ago
          I too definitely worry more about reality. Yet, the philosophy in these particular episodes is relevant, but exaggerated, to what is happening today. Episodes like these can cause a mind to click. You may want to check out the video linked in the topic comment to hear a hard hitting “click.” You can skip to the 13 minute mark.
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