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Should evil be free to speak?

Posted by Solver 5 years, 5 months ago to Philosophy
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“The communists and the Nazis are merely two variants of the same evil notion: collectivism. But both should be free to speak—evil ideas are dangerous only by default of men advocating better ideas.”
- Ayn Rand


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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I admit I was ignorant as to Obama until he got elected and his actions told me where he was at. At that time, I was just not up to speed on candidates, although I had hated Hillary from a long time back and for good reasons.
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  • Posted by H2ungar123 5 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Golden tongue?? Lying tongue is the true
    description of what the masses bought. Any
    mention of that person whatsoever sends me to
    the vomitorium
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That one was worse than looting. He didn't want to nationalize the coal mines to seize the wealth, but to destroy the industry for the sake of destroying it. The Constitution can't protect against nihilism, and worse, it can't protect against voters who accept the nihilism.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 5 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Indeed, I remember. The Constitution was designed to limit the ability of politicians to play one part of the country against another, but no constitution can survive a sufficient number of looters and moochers.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The indoctrination you were subjected to is the reason why freedom of speech is necessary: to protect proper ideas and knowledge and refute the evil and the wrong. That can't be done selectively, without a principle of freedom of speech. The right to think and act for yourself in accordance with your nature as a rational being does not guarantee reaching the truth, but the freedom must always be protected to allow self-correction. Denying freedom of speech negates the right to think for oneself. Understanding and defending rational ideas is not possible without freedom of speech.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Racism was one factor. It was not the only reason he was elected. Aside from superficial factors like his golden tongue, he was elected because of his collectivism that not enough knew to oppose.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Remember on the eve of his election the Fox news report showing the video of him promising to destroy the coal industry? It was there for all to see, but almost no one paid attention.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would not help him either, only defend the principle that would be open to him with his own effort, not mine promoting his destructiveness.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Obama was not unknown. For those who understood him conceptually despite the campaign of fog trying to evade it the rest was no surprise.
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  • Posted by ewv 5 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It depends on the nature of their "morality". Truly superior morality insists on freedom of thought and speech.
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree that was the reason he was elected- enough people felt guilty over past slavery of former black people that was endorsed by white ancestors. Unearned guilt is a powerful motivator, and is used to the fullest by the left and religion.
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  • Posted by 5 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The left has created many safe spaces to shield future young members from other (non-left) ideals.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 5 years, 5 months ago
    Free speech, yes, even Marx was allowed to go on and on in England. However, that only works IF other sides of a discussion can be heard. Mor and more, the Dems are trying to block free speech and have no side heard but there own. Hillary said she would limit political dissention on the Internet. She also promised to make any discussion against global warming, a crime! We are reaching totalitarian levels, where most TV is one sided, most newspapers, and TV media. There has to be a time and place where the other side can come in and be heard and respected without being shouted down or hauled away. It is getting quite concerning when our kids are being fed only one side, and it is a war between schols and parents.
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  • Posted by H2ungar123 5 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh puh-leeze!! Of course the only reason "it" was elected is because "it" is black. I will never be
    convinced otherwise..
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 5 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Most Americans would be shaken if they realized we have our military in over 100 countries, actively engaged, or training foreign troops, or involved in intelligence activities. We have all the burdens of empire, without ownership of the lands we help defend. Our all volunteer force is burnt out and exhausted, and we're chewing up a generation of young people, who die or suffer serious physical or mental injuries.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 5 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I can understand seeing him as an unknown, but did his party affiliation and his party's support for him not describe his platform? In the sense that in the 20th century on, almost all wars were started or promulgated by the Democrats, the universal medical care was pushed exclusively by the Democrats or RINOs, the race-mongers and racists have been almost exclusively Democrats, and although both parties are very guilty of debt spending, the Democrats have been doing in somewhat more and unashamedly. I am bringing up your specific concerns. I've heard from a number of people that they were surprised; they didn't expect him to do what he in fact written, said, and promised that he would do. It is a different matter altogether when people want to participate in the socialist theft, as many university students do now, but why would one hear the promises (as Obama openly advertised) and not believe the intent? (Regarding Democrats starting the wars; I consider both Bush's as Democrats (in their actions) or RINO's at the very least).
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think you are right, but I refuse to be muzzled by PC. Call me stupid I guess
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  • Posted by 5 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In today’s America you could lose your Master Card, Stripe or PayPal account for speaking things like that.
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I love his banner he uses at the latest rallies. PROMISES MADE....PROMISES KEPT. I have never seen a politician actually live by that and its refreshing.

    I think we should have stayed out of and currently pull out of most all other countries, especially Afghanistan, Syria, probably Iraq, Japan, and other countries that will just pull us into useless wars and spend money we dont have.

    Better spend the money on foolproof defenses for our own country, and not waste it on feeding people who are fleeing their disadvantaged countries unless those people are really smart, rich, or educated already.

    I am also not enthralled with Islam at all. Its a very violent religion thats intolerant of non believers (like me). Who needs that influence in our country .
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would say that I had positive respect for Obama at anytime. He was an unknown and promised to get us out of external wars. He was black, which I admit I didnt care about really. I suspected he was elected BECAUSE he was black, which I didnt like, but I didnt pay too much attention to him I was busy with my life and thought I would give him a chance to see what he was like. By the time he rammed Obamacare down my throat, didnt get out of Iraq, pursued war in Afghanistan, spent huge amounts of borrowed money, and came out so violengly against Snowden, I was completely done with him. At that point I had no respect for him at all, and thought he was an evil, arrogant, petulant brat. I think he was the worse president I have seen in my time. I suspect FDR was even worse, but our presidents have done mostly bad things, with the possible exception of Reagan and Trump. Both political parties are really bad. I would vote again for Trump, but I doubt I will get the chance in 2020.
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