Ayn Rand was an Illegal Immigrant

Posted by  $  MikeMarotta 1 month ago to Government
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ADAM REED pointed it out in 2011 here:
http://user-of-objectivism.blogspot.c...

REASON picked it up a year later
http://reason.com/archives/2012/02/14...


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    Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 1 month ago
    My take is things were different back then, but then like now, the laws are screwed up and the legal process needs to be more efficient.
    Yes, back in the day, when many Americans and our government were in denial of what was going on in the world, once learned, would of forgiven Rand. People had different work ethics in those days and that is not an over statement. Not to mention that the American, socialist welfare state seems to attract the worst of society and there are way too many creatures on my payroll already.

    The world is going nuts these days and corruption, lies, perversions, terrorism and a mentalities 180 degrees from reality is rampid.

    If only to deter the drug traffickers, child sex slave runners and our sworn enemies...the wall is worth it. Time then can be more productive in finding the tunnels and all the other ways inwhich these creatures slither in under the cover of darkness, once the easy route has been cut off.
    It also would prevent people from risking the lives of mothers and children from making the trip in the first place.

    We should advertise instead that if you are politically persecuted, want a better job and a life as an American...make your first trip, to the nearest American Consulate with a warning! Caution: We have a corrupt government and criminals here too! You might just be escaping the frying pan and jumping into the fire itself.
    Maybe you should try harder to change your own country first and give us time to fix ours.
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  • Posted by  $  CaptainKirk 3 weeks, 6 days ago
    Who Cares? Back then people who COULD AFFORD to get here, and had to WORK to eat (My grandfather was known for saying that "Waking up without knowing where your next meal is coming from, is very motivating!")

    Back then, we needed PEOPLE here. Workers, etc. It was NOT the issue it is now.

    NOW, we have seen it is dangerous (See Europe: France, Italy in particular)... It can DESTROY US.

    So, we CHANGED our approach/attitudes. This helps us IMPROVE things over time.

    Here is the real question? "So What?"
    According to the leftists, we can't deport them, and if they are paying taxes, etc. they are good.
    THEREFORE IT WAS GOOD!

    If it were TODAY, I would PERSONALLY say she should be processed (in or out, don't care). But Processed legally. And that it should be done in order (All those before her, first. Then her, then those after her). Rules must be followed.

    Now, she got married. The ONLY Crime she committed was working while here on a Visitors Visa. PLEASE TELL ME THE FINE, we will pay it, and they can leave this alone!

    This is just a way to get people to say "Good Person BAD"... Or to make you have to "Justify" your position on her. BY PEOPLE Who "Argue Against Bullying and then say they would KILL High School Students for wearing MAGA hats!"

    Let that sink in. Only one side REALLY believes in the rule of law for the sake of society. The other believes it should be a coercive force used by an all powerful government!
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  • Posted by LarryHeart 3 weeks, 6 days ago
    As usual, a straw man argument. Ayn Rand "Lied". and some illegal trespassers also lie. True. But that does not make her an illegal trespasser.(undocumented Immigrant in leftist newSpeak) She had documents. She came here legally on a tourist Visa. She did not overstay her visa. She married and American before her Visa expired. Not illegal.
    Ayn Rand did not cross our border illegally. She came in through the proper access points. She was not ferried by a coyote, she did not illegally trespass outside of the proper access points. She did not work off the books. Your argument is nonsense.
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  • Posted by  $  Stormi 3 weeks, 6 days ago
    Ayn Rand did not come here for a hand out or the thirst for wealth, today's immigrants think just happens in the US. She loved the US and esp. our capitalism. She wanted to be here and to produce. We see people coming with crime as their goal. We see others coming as invaders, waning t plant their flag in our country. We see people coming who have been paid by their homeland, Soros or Obama, to invade our country. They are not excaping the oppression that was all around a Rand or and Audry Hepburn, who saw hardline communism in action. Some coming just are not happy with the lesser degree of Marxism in their homeland than they would like. That is not America, and they have no right to change our country to their idea of Marixt Dystopia. Man have no desire to be producers, but looters. Objecting to that is not racism (stuid term), but rather a desire to protect the fabric of the country we were born into and have to fight to maintain, where freedom is earned with responsibility. If they don't believe that, then they should not be here.
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  • Posted by Lucky 1 month ago
    The same argument is used against abortion, that as Beethoven was a late child of a large family his mother would have aborted if she could.
    There are endless elaborations to justify for or against.
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    • Posted by  $  25n56il4 4 weeks, 1 day ago
      Do you suppose people going to other countries to live expect to be able to receive 'free' benefits? I doubt very seriously you could do so. It appears logical that we aren't any longer able to keep doing this. Why can't people understand this? "People' being the bleeding hearts!
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      • Posted by term2 3 weeks, 6 days ago
        Canada has no problem with illegal immigration. If you get there, no matter how, and dont have a visa or canadian citizenship, you are simply deported. There is no free lunch up there for illegals.
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 1 month ago
    "...Fortunately, back in the 1920s most Americans understood (as Rand herself understood) that principles are not intrinsicist rules, but guidelines for contextually chosen action..."

    Right, Rand understood that principles cannot be rigid in 1925. However, by the time she wrote AS she changed her mind? Who is Andy Reed?
    Who was Leonard Small?

    https://atlassociety.org/objectivism/...
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