Not free speech, not free market and rules enforcement are subjective.

Posted by Solver 6 years, 6 months ago to Business
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Here is the full transcript mentioned in the video. It will probably become another historical case study of leftist doublespeak.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U...

The video,
https://youtu.be/Hv7hvZee-PQ


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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Its a good time to be retired and not have to worry about getting fired for saying what I think !!
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  • Posted by 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Exactly. Individuals that are discovered speaking politically incorrect will be targeted, reformed and re-educated by trust and safety committees.
    And this is happening now!
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  • Posted by 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Look up,
    #patreonpurge

    Patreon has become a politically bent rule breaking business that hosts many content creators and is a middleman for their financial livelihoods.
    Way too much information about this to keep repeating it.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 6 months ago
    I’ve created a new much more serious topic.
    https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...

    “I fear we‘re seeing some plan to reestablish the former power of the Gated Institutional Narrative well above Patreon’s paygrade using payment networks. I hope this is wrong. But if it‘s correct, “improper” bitcoin transactions will start to carry serious criminal penalties.”
    - Eric Weinstein 12/25/2018
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  • Posted by 6 years, 6 months ago
    Freedom of Speech, one of the most important topics for 2019

    Patreon Purge: Bankers are the Global Speech Police
    https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/pa...

    “The problem with what’s going on currently with online deplatforming is certain ‘wrongthinkers’ aren’t just being kicked off websites like Patreon, but competitors are also being stifled. I support a right to refuse service – I do not support meddling in someone else’s business when they are refused service and move elsewhere.”
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  • Posted by ycandrea 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Are you talking about an employee handbood that the employee signs? I was HR manager and we had a handbook with guide lines that all new employees signed. But we were still an At Will company, which means employee and employer can terminate employment for any reason at any time. Why would an employee want to work for such an employer that would fire him for using the wrong pronoun. Of course this is wrong and I would want nothing to do with such an employer. No one is a victim here as we all have choices. Again, just my opinion.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 6 months ago
    Patreon sounds more like a prison or re-education camp than a business.
    (BTW, historically much of this is a lie)

    “Patreon takes a highly personal approach to policing speech. While Google and Facebook use algorithms as a first line of defense for questionable content, Patreon has human moderators. They give warnings and reach out to talk to offenders, presenting options for “education” and “reform.” Some activists hope this will become a model for a better and kinder internet.”

    “If someone has breached Patreon’s policy, the company contacts the offender with a specific plan, which usually involves asking for the content to be removed and for a public apology.

    The conversations with creators can quickly become complicated, nuanced, and, well, human, she said. Among other challenges, Patreon has to decide what qualifies as a sincere and thorough apology. Still, having human moderators has changed its users’ behaviors more than simply deleting accounts would, Ms. Hart said.

    We hand-hold creators, and we work with them one on one, and nearly every creator reforms — and so it’s quite a successful process,” she said.”
    -New York Times - Dec 24, 2018
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  • Posted by 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In this scenario, let’s say the contract stated, “the company does not tolerate hate speech and any employee using hate speech can be fired” —could they legally use that clause to fire an employee that used the wrong pronoun?
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  • Posted by ycandrea 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In most cases I believe in Employment at will. At will by either side. If there was a contract, it would, of couse, take precedent. Were the terms of the contract breached by the employer in this case?
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  • Posted by 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    “By your way of thinking, it was right that the baker was punished for not baking a cake for the gay couple. He was punished by the gov't. Is this what you want for all businesses?”
    Not “my way of thinking.”
    Yes he was. That was absolutely wrong.
    Not at all.

    Did you disagree with any of the arguments in the video?
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  • Posted by 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So a long time employee with an mutually agreed upon contract can be fired at time time for any reason?
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  • Posted by ycandrea 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I totally agree. I am glad you are not advocating for gov't control over their business.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm arguing that Patreon has acted unethically by their own chosen rules. That is the issue for me. Let the market destroy them.
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  • Posted by ycandrea 6 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I still believe our country is free enough that the consumer decides which businesses fail or succeed. Or did you want the gov't to decided that? Consumers have a right to not use the service if they don't like the company's political views. But that does not mean that companies should not have political views. Just my opinion. I read the entire transcript and if I were the rep from Patreon I would just come out and say "We have a right to decide whatever we want for our company. No matter the political persuasion." Patreon does not have to provide free speech! By your way of thinking, it was right that the baker was punished for not baking a cake for the gay couple. He was punished by the gov't. Is this what you want for all businesses?
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