Cal Fires and Trump Criticism of Forest Service

Posted by bsmith51 10 months, 1 week ago to Politics
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If you're wondering what Trump was talking about when he strongly criticized the Forest Service's mismanagement as a contributing factor in the California fires, my brother, on the board of a utility cooperative, had this to say:

"I may have told you this before but [redacted] Electric Cooperative had an issue prior to my joining the Board where they asked the US Forest Service for permission to cut a tree outside the easement because it was considered a hazard if it ever came down in a wind storm. The Forest Service denied the request. The tree did come down in a wind storm across the power lines and caused a fire. [redacted Electric Cooperative] was fined almost $400,000 for the Forest Services' costs of putting out the fire!

This past year we worked with our Congressman, Greg Walden, to introduce a bill into the House that would require the Forest Service to either grant those kinds of requests or assume full liability if they deny them. The bill passed committee, passed the House, passed the Senate and was signed by the President.

Unfortunately, Greg will lose his chairman's position in January and we can be assured that the new chair will side with government agencies every time."

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  • Posted by  $  Solver 10 months, 1 week ago
    Humans shouldn’t be interfering with precious trees, Got to protect those trees by any means necessary. Sometimes humans must be sacrificed for the greater good.
    (Sarcasm, but not from the far left.)
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    • Posted by kddr22 10 months, 1 week ago
      I get this all the time as I own a small tree farm( 70 acres) that I have cut every 10 years or so ; have controlled burns and is managed so that it stays healthy with selected cuts.
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  • Posted by  $  Stormi 10 months, 1 week ago
    How the idiots of the press and even firefighters can so mi-construe what Trump siad, is amazing. He was blaming the pseudo-scientists and their henchmen in the woods for not cleaning up the forest floor. He was not knocking the firefighters. Everyone knows why we have so many forest fires, but the libs won't admit teir faux science. Clean up the floor, it is like kindling ready to be started.
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  • Posted by Abaco 10 months, 1 week ago
    I want to add something here... The smoke in the norcal area where I live has been unbelievable all summer. This is really, really bad. Will certainly have substantial health effects on people.
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    • Posted by  $  Dobrien 10 months, 1 week ago
      So many dangers in your area. Stay alert and be safe. Then get the H E double L out of there. You can always go back. The housing market is starting to soften significantly in San Diego and other areas.
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  • Posted by Abaco 10 months, 1 week ago
    Here's how things work here in California. The leftist weirdos won't allow trees to be cut down. They'll sabotage the equipment, chain themselves to trees, etc. It's as though they value the life of the tree over the life of humans. That, of course, is because they do. This is also why you'll never see another dam built in California.
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  • Posted by WDonway 10 months, 1 week ago
    The Web site What's Up With That (WUWT), the best and most visited site about weather and climate, and the leading opponent of predictions of catastrophic climate change, is excellent on wildfires and climate. Intelligent forest management, trying to proceed in the face of nonstop green suits, seems to be the answer. Australia, at BIG risk of fires, no longer debates this even in green states. Controlled burning is just life, there.
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  • Posted by  $  AJAshinoff 10 months, 1 week ago
    Trump may be blunt but he's not, at least on this happening, wrong. The neglect of clearing the undergrowth and heavily restricting or eliminating the thinning of forests is adding to the natural threat for expansive forest fires.
    When driving back from Colorado not that long ago I was struck by how man standing dead tree's there were in relation to living ones, easily 5 dead to every 1 live tree. I can only image what the CA forests look like where the eco-wackos have run even more rampant for years.
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    • Posted by  $  Dobrien 10 months, 1 week ago
      I totally agree that forest management and fire prevention is woeful and a contributing factor.
      I do take issue with “Trump may be blunt “As if blunt is a negative /synonyms: straightforward, frank, plain-spoken, candid, direct, bluff, forthright, unequivocal; and More.
      AJ if you don’t like his personality that’s fine.
      I don’t value personality as a top ten requirement for the Presidency.
      With 92% negative stories in the so call MSM
      and constant false accusations ,a thorough brainwashing. So many in the public feel the need to somehow distance their personal opinions from Trump to down right trashing him because it’s vogue.
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  • Posted by Lucky 10 months ago
    Experience in Western Australia may be relevant.
    The oil in Eucalyptus (Gum) trees makes fire burn with high energy and when there are clumps of trees, the fire is next to impossible to extinguish. I think there are big areas of gums in Cal.
    The heat creates powerful air currents causing flames and burning cinders to leap over large breaks.
    (These species rely on fire for regeneration.)
    The only way to prevent serious and life destroying fires is to do many steps of preventive burning in the cooler wetter season of the year, this reduces the fuel available to burn.

    Fire cannot be prevented, but the severity can be limited. Fires start from natural causes and sorry to say many serious fires have been started by foolish people.
    Preventive burning is opposed by some who do not realize how strong fire can get, and who do not like the smoke, and by certain political movements who think it is against nature, (or whatever). They say try better fire fighting, that does not work even with massive water dropping and spraying, there is just too much energy in the fire. (Bad news, the Green/Left are always vocal, facts do not relate to their 'thinking'.) There were suggestions to scoop up sea water from off the coast with jumbo jets, this would be inadquate to put out the fire, and it would add more salt to the soil. I'm not sure if Cal soil has a salinity problem.
    Retardants do not work either, spraying in the fierce wind cannot be aimed, all it does is leave residue when it settles. Pre-wetting could make the fire worse by encouraging growth.

    Only prescribed back burning to reduce fuel and thus the severity of fire can work.
    (By the way, this technique was used by the Aboriginal people, the Green/Left only respect tribal customs when it suits.)
    Yes, some of these burns have over-shot, but there is a chance of containment, there is no chance later in the year with a full season of fuel ready to ignite.

    "Nature, to be commanded must be obeyed"
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  • Posted by BiggestShoelaces 10 months, 1 week ago
    Look at the photos of the homes vs the trees. I am not sure this was a fire. The houses were on a gold-filled mountain, in the direct path of the California high speed rail. I think this is a land grab.
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  • Posted by  $  blarman 10 months, 1 week ago
    I live in a state completely controlled by the Forest Service, and we still have problems with fires, but not nearly as many once we realized that active logging not only created jobs, but kept the forests healthy. The biggest problem are bark beetle infestations, where there's not much one can do but clearcut to try to head them off. You can tell where they are because up to 50 of the trees are visibly dead and represent a huge fire hazard.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 10 months, 1 week ago
    I have had some thoughts about those fires. Getting rid of that "underbrush" I have heard about sounds like a good idea.
    ----But I have also wondered about something else. In a dry season, couldn't the governor order the firefighters to just go and spray down landscapes, maybe 2 or 3 times, or once a week, to put some moisture in, so that the countryside would not be so dry in the case of a fire? Couldn't that keep it from spreading at least? Of course, that might be hard in the case of a water shortage. And it might cost some money, but would it be any more expensive than repairing the devastation that occurs in the case of a massive fire?
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  • Posted by GaryL 10 months, 1 week ago
    I caretake for a property here in NY that is owned by a fellow who lives in Ojai, Ca. His home there is in the line of fire but he does all he can to keep it safe if that's even possible. His neighbors homes did burn last year. Our homes here in NY will go up in smoke if the right conditions prevail but big fires in these mountains are not a common occurrence like they are in drought country California. I have friends who lost their homes in Paradise and not a thing they could have done but narrowly escape with their lives. Climate change has been going on forever and all the money in this world won't change that. Some states are suffering with severe floods while others pray for rain. YUP! Trump just needs to tilt the axis of the globe or do an executive order forcing the jet stream to take a different route.
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