The statement he made about Ayn Rand is false. She did not advocate a strike.

LOL!
Poor little trolls! Their warped predatory minds are so-o misunderstood!
Think I'll find my heart and advise them to seek the coveted end of a rainbow reward of untold riches via the up the ladder gains of pyramid power sought in telemarketing boiler rooms.

Trolls have feelings, too. Their accusations must be taken seriously. Especially in job interviews like this forum. Posts last a lifetime.

There are two types of trolls.
My American born full-blooded Swedish dad~may he RIP.~liked to tell little dino a bedtime story about hungry trolls who hid under foot bridges, waiting to ambush goats that would cross over.
A modern mean humanoid species lays traps on the Internet. The troll will ask questions, await answers and then gleefully throw mud to~sob!~hurt me dino's tender little feelings.

Species change, not specious. Trolls are a different species.

Now why couldn't me dino remember that bit about the only fat man in North Korea?
Chewed on and ingested a Prevagen while reading the above, by the way.

Good golly, Miss Molly! I just got reminded to take my hit of Prevagen again.
Now where'd I put that bottle of chewables?
Bet it's in my purse by the make-up mirror.
This much is true~I'm walking to another room to pop a Prevagen immediately after I click "reply."

Dino: Let's see, months ago ewv took me to task for writing something praiseworthy about Trump did and logically proved both I and the Tangerine Tornado were flawed in our thinking.
The problem about that is, me old dino can't remember what the heck that was.

There have been many more refutations of Trump idolatry, beginning with the campaign period. A recent thread on Trump that you may mean is https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...

Dino: Me dino recalls it being discussed on this board that Trump has no problem with the enforcement of eminent domain. Well, me dino has a problem with that as does many Gulchers.
And Trump likes to talk about helping out the little guy. A little guy really feels little when he's forced to watch a bulldozer knock down his house to make way for a shopping center.

This one came up several times during the campaign. Trump loudly pronounced that eminent domain is "wonderful". He boasted that he uses it routinely. There was even a video of him shafting people in Scotland, where he went on TV denouncing, in his usual loutish manner, his victims as living like pigs.

He also fawned over Federal land, then campaigned against the Obama National Monument abuses, then did nothing about it in most of the country, but continues to give campaign speeches about how he campaigned in rural areas to get electoral votes -- without mentioning what he campaigned on before doing nothing.

Dino: Perhaps because this next bit also adds to his power, the Ornery Orange Of The Big Apple has no problem with the Patriot Act and maybe that's a big factor why Kavanangh was at the top of his nomination list.

This came up most recently in the discussions on the Kavanaugh hearings circus, but Trump has been quietly routinely supporting NSA/CIA/FBI surveillance of innocent Americans all along.

You dino = you troll? A trans-dino? It's a species change. After all these years, who knew.

Obama is a traitor.
Cackles The Evil Hag is a crook.
Bye!

Just to remind you: name-calling is a character fault.

Not agreeing with you does not make someone a troll.

Considering the contents of your post, it makes you a troll. Keep that in mind.

And now I am done with responding to you. It is an effort in vain.

Have a good day.

I liked to listen to Obama's speeches? Well, that's insulting as all hell.
Reminds me. Just three or four months ago,someone who has been on this board for over five years
(about the time it got cranked up) sent me a PM and advised me not to feed trolls.
Good advice.
Feeding time is over.

The real issue I have with promoting the importance of reason is the Determination of the resistance to it in our culture We are not only getting nowhere in the last 50 years, we are backsliding into collectivism even faster.

I would argue that the rise of trump is a grass roots reaction to obvious failures of collectivism which would not have happened without those failures. And trump is very far from subscribing to objectivist principles, but rather is more of a common sense and non intellectual figure

A John Galt speech is simply more effective at getting people to think when the current collectivist society ISNT functioning well.

I really don’t know AR’s intentions as you present them. I do remember an interview where she stated she hoped that AS was written in the hopes it would prevent the collapse But that has been a dismal failure as we proceed even faster towards that collapse.

That means to me we need to find some more effective way to fight collectivism. My view would be to point out and expose the failures of collectivism on a practical basis and replace those failures with non collectivist solutions.

Trump is exposing those failures and got elected as a result. We need a Galt figure to capitalize on those failures in an intellectual way to make the free market and individualist solutions stick. Otherwise the improvements will be lost in 2020 or sooner

AS was not just a work of fiction. It is based on a lot of great thought about human nature, and is proving to be pretty much right on as a documentary . Consider why John Galt didn’t bother with speech in the beginning of the book- maybe because AR knew inside that people would not listen UNTIL they could experience the results of collectivism. That’s why AS had disappointingly little effect.

Quite a list. Sorry to say, no substance.

I conclude from this that you liked listening to Obama's speeches. After all he had a teleprompter with nice words.

And please refrain from naming anyone "little cuss".

Thank you.

Then go and read them instead of promoting unintelligible bad poetry and 'downvoting' out of personal spite. Your assertions that Ayn Rand advocated a 'strike' are not true.

Ayn Rand did not say or imply that "rational ideas will be accepted more easily if the culture collapses", not in reality and not in the fictional plot of Atlas Shrugged.

If Galt had given his speech before the plot in the novel began there would have been no novel to write. She sought to put in fictional form her idea of the "ideal man", not an anti-intellectual recommendation to save the world by collapsing it.

The "strike" in Atlas Shrugged was fiction intended to make an entirely different point: the role of the mind in human survival, not the "going Galt" nonsense promoted as the means to reform, which she opposed for good reason. The idea for the plot of the novel came to her with the idea 'what if" -- and the plot illustrated how, in accelerated fictional form -- society would collapse if the mind were withdrawn. The 'strikers' went 'back to the world', with the ideas they already held, after a collapse and the looters were no longer a threat. It was a way to end the novel on a positive note, not an expectation that a world-wide threat would disappear if the US were to collapse.

The anti-mind culture of neo-Platonic Christianity led over centuries to the Dark Ages and it took a millennia to get out of that. It did not cause "rational ideas [to] be accepted more easily". Expecting, let alone wanting, a collapse to improve anything is anti-intellectual nihilism and the complete opposite of Ayn Rand's theme of the importance of formulating and spreading pro-reason, pro-individualist ideas.

You say, "If the USA collapsed, it would take a very long time before we would enjoy the standard of living we do right now." Yes, and it would become much, much worse than right now for a very long time. So don't advocate or count on a "collapse" to substitute for intellectual progress.

AR didn’t say that the culture has to collapse BEFORE rational ideas can be presented. But she certainly heavily implied that rational ideas will be accepted more easily if the culture collapses. Remember that was John galts purpose- to stop the motor of the world. Why didn’t he just get on the soapbox and give his speech while things were going great?

Looking at Venezuela, one can see that they aren’t denouncing the socialism that has killed their economy, at least not quite yet

If the USA collapsed, it would take a very long time before we would enjoy the standard of living we do right now.

Ayn Rand did not advocate what you claim she did. She opposed what is now called "going Galt" as a way to reform the nation. This topic has been discussed many times on this forum and my "contributions" are on the record in detail.

Ayn Rand did not say that the system has to collapse before rational ideas can be heard. That is what you wrote. It isn't true.

Nor will people "wise up" after a collapse. Proper ideas do not come out of a vacuum just because existential problems are much worse. Knowing you don't like something does not tell you what is right. When national political conditions are suddenly worse in the kind of large scale disaster you are projecting people don't take the time to philosophize, let along become better intellects. They generally act out of panic, fear and emotions -- because they don't have the principles required to do anything else for large scale social organization and want their problems solved "somehow" -- clinging to what they already believe is right and demanding or wishing the government give them what they want.