I'm having a moral crisis
Posted by LennoxStudios 5 years, 7 months ago to Ask the Gulch
I am having a crisis of sorts. I can't be certain of how this will turn people's opinion of me, but if answers come at the expense of reputation so be it. Everywhere I read, everywhere I look, every person I look up to, says Objectivism is greedy, that its wrong, that its an extreme, that the only people who use objectivism is the people who abuse its philosophies as a means of breaking another man's back. And this stress is killing me, this tear. Maybe it makes me not a true woman of reason, I don't care at this point. If it means my hair stops falling out (hyperbole), its worth it. I cannot take this guilt
Oh, and Milton Friedman gave an absolutely BRILLIANT response to the accusation of greed on the Phil Donahue show several decades ago. (https://youtu.be/RWsx1X8PV_A) Worth every minute!
Past and Present. These are the kind of people that should advise you.
Then the French got a hold of the word and applied it to fat people.
I request, if you have time to submit that concise
and eloquent reasoning, that proves laissez-faire
Capitalism is the superior economic policy bar none in the history of mankind.
Have a great day,
DOB
That always taken into consideration, of course I'll help out someone with a real need.
But with due diligence and caution.
There are too many con artists who want to rip me off these days.
One technique manipulators use is to try to me dino feel bad.
Paste coins to a donation request? Watch me dino pocket the coins and trash the rest.
More than once I've kept a calculator. Have five such spurned bribes about the house.
Nobody plays with me dino's head.
I also get requests for money to save Trump from the Deep State or from being impeached.
How is giving some senator or some group money supposed to save Trump from anything?
Once heard Mark Levin say Trump can't get kicked out of office anyway.
Slick Willie once got impeached. And so what? No Nixonesque waving from a helicopter for that Teflon Rapist.
OK?
of course, she should not have answered a number she did not recognize, but I can't say that and live...I never answer unless it is in my phone base...and only review messages that have been left...most of my phone calls are robo...
An hour ago I got a robot lady call from (caller ID) San Marcos, Kalifornia. I was told an arrest warrant has been issued against "your name and identity" (who ever says your name and identity?). I'm to call a given number before the warrant is submitted to authorities in my area. How about at least stating I'm in the Birmingham, Alabama, area? (The satellite city is Pleasant Grove).
Now why would someone tip me off that I'm about to be arrested? Maybe they want my checking account number. Maybe I should toss in my social security number too.
Maybe I should look back into my delete file so I may negotiates with these sloppy rip-off artists.
Last time me dino was in Kalifornia was 1976 so I must have done something really bad.
my girlfriend's apple phone and computer are ok so far....
when I first got into florida (25 years ago), I applied to rent a house for 12 months...there were 3 arrest warrants out for a John H Kelly in Ft Lauderdale...we had to get down to my social security # until I was eliminated...never came across the other guy...
my ss # was stolen 10 years ago...I watched as attempts to purchase items with my name and social went across the country as my ss # was sold over and over again...took 3 years before it stopped happening...
Too many heartless sociopaths are slimming around.
You earn your money. Its yours. No one is entitled to it. Unless you choose to give it away no one has the right to claim ownership but you. How much you make and how you save or spend your money is solely your discretion.
Greed is someone else saying what you have is subject to THEIR direction.
People that want me to feel guilty just want to use that to get things from me they dont deserve
That is the nature of Human beings. Human beings, particularly Conscious ones, have a natural mutuality with others. That mutuality manifests itself through the sharing of abundance.
If one sacrifices one's basic needs or desires necessary for happiness then one will not have the abundance to share, empathize or offer...just like every cell in your body.
The sharing of abundance should rightfully be tempered with Reason when sharing abundance; will it be appreciated, is it a life or death situation, does the other seek a hand up or a hand out...etc, etc.
Psychologist will tell you that if a person is constantly sacrificing their own needs for others, they will become unhappy and resentful... so a balance must be maintained in order to survive otherwise you will physically or emotionally die and there will be no happiness nor any abundance to share.
Abundance and needs are different for everyone beyond the basics. Virtually every conscious human on the planet would share their food and go out of our way to do so if someone should visit at suppertime...I have never seen anyone not do this, we do this without thinking about it, It's Human nature at work here.
One's abundance might be knowledge to be shared, food that can be shared, money, time or comfort; but at some point the one's you share with must learn to attend to their own survival... so the old adage: Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach him to fish and he eats for a life time is a basic truth of life and one day they might teach another to fish.
That's how I would school those that would knowingly or unknowingly make you feel this guilt by sharing this knowledge and wisdom.
If that knowledge is heeded, appreciated and passed on then you have every right to silently reflect upon the value you shared. That is called: The Reflection of Values Created and is a personal and internal need we all have.
Your life is YOURS! And nobody has a right to take it from you. Being the kind and sympathetic person I know you are (because otherwise you wouldn’t feel this way) you can help folks as much as you want as long as YOU want, and not because someone else says so. You do that voluntarily, but not to your own detriment, and not because you’re forced into it. And, you can keep your hair!!
My advice to you is to try to identify the specific source of your feelings of unearned guilt in your own past and work to uproot it...or look yourself in the mirror daily and repeat ten times:
"Your life belongs to you!"
(I also think joining my Galt Brigade would do you wonders, but that's entirely up to you).
If you can take the oath (which really caps off the last few paragraphs of Galt's great speech, or wait until you know more about the philosophy from Ayn Rand's non-fiction).
As a "deductionist" you may also be interest in the short book Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology, 2nd ed. (it covers the one area Galt doesn't go into: concept-formation).
Another really important essay is "The Objectivist Ethics" in The Virtue of Selfishness which recaps less "dramatically" the Galt Speech.
What "guilt" do you feel? Have you allowed those other people, including "every person ]you] look up to" to infect you with an unearned guilt?And what kind of people have you been looking up to?--
It is very common for Objectivism to be misrepresented in this way, it is nothing new. Please don't cave in to it. Don't let it overcome you. I think we all have heard the kind of stuff that people have been throwing at you. You can click in here and see that there are people who know better than that. (I do not want a wounded sister to allow herself to be overcome).
Many people will apply a label to a philosophy, then declare that philosophy is evil. They offer no substantiation, no rationale - just their naked declarations that "Objectivism = greedy" and "greedy = evil" therefore "Objectivism = evil.
Why do you believe them? Why does this cause you stress? It is no different than children calling, "Nyah, nyah, nyah." in a schoolyard. This may matter to another child, but we are not children. We may choose to require proof and logic and not just name calling.
Jan, a true woman of reason
(and I'll smash anyone who says I'm not)
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I have stopped listening to the cries of the leftists. Its all garbage and designed to emotionally manipulate. Its not even worth responding to. Just look at what the people want- and that tells you all. Watch what they do, not what they say
Government intervention is the real problem. As one of the latest examples lets look at Obamacare. What has happened to the price of healthcare since it passed? It has gone up 2 to 3 times the price than before the government stepped in. Is there anything that has happened in America that did not go up when the government stepped in??? If you have an example I would like to know...
Your guilt is imagined just as much as their moral code.
I don't feel guilty at not believing in Santa Clause, the Easter bunny, fairies or unicorns, regardless of whatever shame I "should" feel about rejecting those fairy tales.
I agree they are nice and warm and fuzzy, but they simply do not exist.
They do not feel any shame at extorting my productive life at the point of a gun for their selfish benefit because they are many and have based their group think in the morality of need.
What about the morality of merit?
To me the thing critics of objectivism fail to address and conveniently leave out is Ethical .....in ethical self interest.
They speak of selfishness at the expense of another. That is not and will never be done
by a true objectivist simply put because that is unethical. When they say greedy ask them to explain what that means and why is it bad.
Their answer will likely include some type of unethical behavior that they will denounce and attribute to Objectivist .Kindly point out to them the difference. Then ask them if they like sports or music or movies. Ask them if those stars they admire are greedy because they use an agent to get the maximum $ contract. If they don't genuinely discuss those points you should look down on them vs looking up to them. Be proud of your mind and self. Run don't walk from people who don't give you the respect you give them or deserve.
The goal of life is to be happy. Be confident in who you are and what you want. Go for it and everyone else that inhibits you be damned. Become the person people look up to because you are special and loving the life you create. Respectfully , DOB
So your posed questions to be asked are apt.
I hope that you don't either.
I have a number of beliefs that I feel would get me stoned by the liberal bleeding hearts, out there. I...DON'T...CARE! I'm enjoying my life and to Hell with them.
Take a close look at the faces of Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and Maxine Waters and tell me that those people are ever happy. Then, look at the faces of conservatives and you have to wonder if anything every really bothers them.
Our first responsibility is always to ourselves (just listen to an airline stewardess, when they explain the use of oxygen masks). You always look out for yourself, first. If it, then, gives you a good feeling to help others...do so. If you feel you're simply being taken advantage of, act accordingly and walk away with an absolutely clear conscience.
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