But don't stop demanding that non-citizens not be allowed to influence elections for as long as we can hold them back. Try to keep the left on the moral defensive where they belong instead of their usual illicitly seized 'high ground', but it takes more than arguing about voting rules. Their premises must always be challenged.

Good points...

The incentive for illegal immigrant support and an open-ended "path" to citizenship is global welfare statism and multi-culturalism, which in turn are a consequence of the acceptance and embracing of altruism and collectivism. Telling the (primarily) leftists that they can't implement their social agenda by insisting on undermining their voting does not remove their incentive and will not work.

They want illegals voting and otherwise counted for representation because they want the global welfare statism and ethnic tribalism, not the other way around. They are not going to allow you to weaken their votes to stop their more fundamental goals. Look at the hysterical campaign they mounted to prevent verification of legal voting.

I think you misunderstood my meaning. What I was saying is that if the US quit counting non citizens for the amount of representatives in the electoral college for any state it would remove the incentive for illegal immigration support.

You can't stop the drive for welfare statism by demanding that your opponents not vote.

The bottom line is that they are an invading force and should be dealt with in the same manner.

We all know that this would be political suicide, there has to be something else we can do.

I think we need to make illegal immigration a negative for the left. Why does the left want as many illegals as possible into the United States? The answer is simple!!! The more people they cram into a state gives that state a more powerful Electoral College. It is a simple fix. Let the census reflect the population of each state but only citizens are counted for Electoral College representation. Cali is one of the most populated states and has a very large Electoral College representation. Remove the incentive and cure the problem...

We can repel them; we have the technology. Bonus, just for fun: Trump could tell the media he's having the device "tuned" so it also sterilizes the crowd. Double Bonus - it makes media heads explode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9p5n...

LOL, that's funny! "simply invading the property"...that's the plan, anyway...

Great idea! My wife and I were watching Fox News about the Caravan and that President Trump was sending the military to the border. My wife state that the military should bring the Sound Cannons to the Az border to stop those migrants from illegally crossing into the state. I definitely agree with her. I wonder if Trump might have told the military to bring such devices?

The president increased the number of troops to 15,000 which Lacosta called a "stunt" when questioning Mattis..

I think he should order 50,000 to the border. Even then they may not be able to hermetically seal the border. There will be gaps which the illegals will sneak through.

They are package-dealing 'refugee' with welfare-state invasion or overrunning a country with hordes of bodies to take it over by multi-culturalists who want to have their cake and eat it too as the third world devours capitalism to sustain their primitivism. Living in a poor country or wanting what someone else has does not make one a refugee.

They are also package-dealing 'job seeker' with 'improving their financial well being' by whatever subsidies they can get, assumed to be part of being in the country in addition to earned wages.

I share your caution about interviews especially where bias can be assumed.
Yes. But is it just me? I see some irony here, the progressives say,
Refugees must be allowed in.
But here apparently is one of the caravan saying, We are job seekers!
If refugees, one set of rules. If job seekers, another set of rules,
here are the forms, state your details and abilities, the fee is $x,
we will get back to you, and- we can say, No.

My tongue-in-cheek solution is to stop giving away ANY free stuff to anyone and let them come. We need workers, people with energy and ideas so if there any, we should take them. The people in the line are no worse than the people already here (including those whose relatives immigrated to the British Colonies pre 1776). So, all that would sort itself out and maybe some immigration of those only here for the free stuff might go the other way.

They do know who at least some of them are. Some of them have been detained in Central America, but it's too early to simply prosecute inside the US.

Who did the interview with what questions? What were those interviewed told to say and to not say? How were those interviewed selected and who was planted?

This is a well-organized and dishonest political maneuver before the election, not a group of people who happen at the same time to want work, with no government benefits expected to be part of their 'pay'. It includes a range from those paid to go to utopia with no clue about the intent, to activists and provocateurs planted and pretending to be ordinary 'workers'.

The intent of the organizers is to provoke violence against masses of naive 'innocents' right before the election in order to embarrass and discredit Trump, and to 'radicalize' potential followers, just like the New Left did in the violent protests at universities beginning in the 1960s. The leaders pretended to be innocent 'peace' seekers but connived to provoke the police to act violently against their own followers to 'radicalize' them and those watching.

If Trump and the military are not very careful and don't make the proper principled statements and act appropriately, then Trump can't win. Either masses of illiterates with little or not skills get into the country and set a precedent for much larger masses, or Trump is seen as Adolf Hitler massacring innocent civilians -- or both.

It sounds like civil war secession, with Federal subsidies for the confederates. But without such a declared war the military cannot be used to obstruct passage between states. The invaders can be stopped only at the Mexican border.

I wrote Trump and suggested this caravan as a golden opportunity to try out the military's new non-lethal toy, the Active Denial System ( https://infogalactic.com/info/Active_... ), against a large group. Set it up as close to the border as its precision will allow without going over, and turn it on.

Somehow once the caravaners figure out that they can't cross into the US, I have a hunch Mexico will send them home, or at least back to Guatemala.

Someone on another channel suggested something similar - a couple A10 Warthogs strafing the border ahead of the mob in motion along with setting up a minefield. Still -- none of this would be necessary if we did not have a welfare state where redistributionist policies provided food for the locusts.

The most important first step:
All applications for asylum must be filed with the U.S. embassy or consulate in the country in which the applicant is a citizen (or in the nearest, safe foreign country). Anyone entering the U. S. or its territories prior to approval of such an application, will be returned.

there you go. they must remain there until their hearings. If they leave california, their asylum request will be denied and they get deported

"Funneling them into California would work if they stayed there, and there was no call for federal money to take care of them..." Yes, an emergency airlift should be set up to deliver them directly to the residences of Robert Di Nero and others of the same ilk for care and nurturing. They must remain where delivered until their hearing come up, no matter how many years it takes.

It might be hard to stop them in mexico if the area in mexico is built up. It would have to be with permission from Mexico, or we pay mexican army to help.
Plus, what happens if our military gets attacked outside of the border IN another country and has to fight back. The libs would love that. Australia could intercept offshore, not in another country.

Anything Trump does there will be immediately sent to a friendly court to be stopped of course.

Hopefully the migrants wont get there before the mid term election. Seeing the caravans is good for repubs, but actually dealing with the refugees will be good for the liberals.

Something has to work, as I hears that 3 more caravans are starting up to follow this one. Predictable. I also think that the refugees will spread out across the border to make interception more difficult.

Hard problem, as the liberals figured.

Or Piranha in the river.

Intercepting them outside the border is what Australia did. (The liberals hated it, but it worked.) Australia used the military (the navy) to stop them, so there is international precedence by an ally.
Someone should leak that the border has been laced with mine fields that will take 20 years to clean up and cost $100 billion because the locations were lost when the FBI wiped Hitlery's computers.

now...the claims about crime and murder are true and are because of the power of the cartels made real by illegal drugs...so first do away with drug prohibition...legalize all drugs...pull the rug out from under the drug cartels...