How Trump Should Handle the "Caravan"

Posted by Abaco 1 month, 1 week ago to Government
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OK, this is tongue-in-cheek so don't get upset. But, I was discussing this with a colleague yesterday. We're both Californians looking to get out as this place slides into disaster. I joked that Trump, rather than grant the media some sort of photo of oppressed babies at the border, should protect only the non-California border. He could grant full and peaceful passage straight into the State who really wants these people - California. He can even get a big federal contract with Greyhound to bus these folks to their California city of choice (from a select list). As we welcome them into our collectivist heaven each family can be lovingly handed a menu of cities to select from. It could include San Francisco (what a beautiful city!), Beverly Hills, Malibu, Sunnyvale/Santa Clara, anyplace in Marin County. Of course, Trump might want to consider placing security along the California border. But...this would give everybody exactly what they want. Our leaders want these people. These nice folks would get free passage into a very beautiful place, focusing on the towns where they've gotten the most political support.


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  • Posted by GaryL 1 month, 1 week ago
    When I hear people proclaim these migrants should be welcomed with open arms and we should not have ICE or Border Enforcement I ask them one very simple question. How many migrants are they personally willing to sponsor and support until they are able to support themselves? You probably have a spare room or basement or garage they could live in that is better than where they came from so How Many can you take in? The silence is deafening!
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  • Posted by bsmith51 1 month, 1 week ago
    A great "careful what you wish for" solution.

    More seriously - and I may have said it here before - Article 1, Section 9, Clause 2 of the US Constitution says the Congress has authority to suspend Habeas Corpus to protect the people in the event of Rebellion or Invasion. This should be a first step.

    And now for my tongue-in-cheek idea: Since Democrat activists have actively or passively encouraged attacks on Republicans at their homes, these invaders should be transported 100 at a time to the homes of the "no borders" activists and politicians, then told they can get free food and lodging simply by invading the property. First should be the multi-million dollar home of Maxine Waters, followed by the home of the Mayor of Stockton, CA and Governor Brown's home. I'm sure at least 10,000 invaders could be accommodated this way across the nation. Call it the Trump Induced Compassion (TIC) Campaign.
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  • Posted by  $  blarman 1 month, 1 week ago
    I like the tongue-in-cheek solution.

    Here's the reality of the situation: They aren't asylum seekers, they are rabble-rousers and invaders. They are being financed by leftists to cause a stir and are seeking to exploit our porous border and ridiculous immigration laws. Personally, I would rather treat them like the invading army they are and repel them at the border using force - lethal if necessary. If they are that brazen and willing to ignore our immigration laws now, how willing are they going to be to abide by the rest of our laws? Answer: they aren't interested. And neither should we be interested in tolerating their shenanigans. Let's put an end to this demonstratively.
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  • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 1 month, 1 week ago
    Ship em to Hollywood and let the actors, directors, agents and studios and of course leftest politicians, pay for their keep....now I would call that "Justice"!
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  • Posted by Lucky 1 month, 1 week ago
    The facts, offensive or welcome:
    The chattering classes (the left) say all refugees should be admitted. After entry the refugees are entitled to all welfare benefits as available to citizens, or more.
    Members of the caravan have been interviewed (cannot find the source at the moment). They want to enter the US to work, to earn money, to send to family to alleviate poverty.

    Now I support the right of a nation to guard borders, and to decide on who enters, but consider your nation fortunate when would-be-migrants want to work!

    Here is another tongue-in-cheek suggestion- Give them all a 2-year contract as laborers on wall building. A big bonus is put aside for those who stay the contract and is paid after departure.
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    • Posted by 1 month, 1 week ago
      They should all have to jump through the same hoops my family members did when they arrived from Europe. They all wanted to work hard...very hard. They got freebies - none.
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    • Posted by ewv 1 month, 1 week ago
      Who did the interview with what questions? What were those interviewed told to say and to not say? How were those interviewed selected and who was planted?

      This is a well-organized and dishonest political maneuver before the election, not a group of people who happen at the same time to want work, with no government benefits expected to be part of their 'pay'. It includes a range from those paid to go to utopia with no clue about the intent, to activists and provocateurs planted and pretending to be ordinary 'workers'.

      The intent of the organizers is to provoke violence against masses of naive 'innocents' right before the election in order to embarrass and discredit Trump, and to 'radicalize' potential followers, just like the New Left did in the violent protests at universities beginning in the 1960s. The leaders pretended to be innocent 'peace' seekers but connived to provoke the police to act violently against their own followers to 'radicalize' them and those watching.

      If Trump and the military are not very careful and don't make the proper principled statements and act appropriately, then Trump can't win. Either masses of illiterates with little or not skills get into the country and set a precedent for much larger masses, or Trump is seen as Adolf Hitler massacring innocent civilians -- or both.
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      • Posted by Lucky 1 month, 1 week ago
        I share your caution about interviews especially where bias can be assumed.
        Yes. But is it just me? I see some irony here, the progressives say,
        Refugees must be allowed in.
        But here apparently is one of the caravan saying, We are job seekers!
        If refugees, one set of rules. If job seekers, another set of rules,
        here are the forms, state your details and abilities, the fee is $x,
        we will get back to you, and- we can say, No.
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        • Posted by ewv 1 month, 1 week ago
          They are package-dealing 'refugee' with welfare-state invasion or overrunning a country with hordes of bodies to take it over by multi-culturalists who want to have their cake and eat it too as the third world devours capitalism to sustain their primitivism. Living in a poor country or wanting what someone else has does not make one a refugee.

          They are also package-dealing 'job seeker' with 'improving their financial well being' by whatever subsidies they can get, assumed to be part of being in the country in addition to earned wages.
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  • Posted by craigerb 1 month, 1 week ago
    The most important first step:
    All applications for asylum must be filed with the U.S. embassy or consulate in the country in which the applicant is a citizen (or in the nearest, safe foreign country). Anyone entering the U. S. or its territories prior to approval of such an application, will be returned.
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  • Posted by maxgeoac 1 month, 1 week ago
    I have often contemplated the idea that I was first introduced too in "Escape from L.A.", and that is turn all of California into a Penal Colony and let them fend for themselves. Though I know it's not feasible it can sometimes be fun to think about.

    Another thought I had was send the illegals straight to the Yukon with only the basic of supplies (Parachute, knife, 1 small pack of matches). They can stay in the U.S. and become citizens if they can withstand and survive one of the harshest environments the U.S. has to offer, after 7 years.
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    • Posted by BCRinFremont 1 month, 1 week ago
      “...straight to the Yukon...”. This has been done before, and it worked! In the 1860s, the Homestead Act(s) offered 320-640 acres of land in places west of the Mississippi to those who would maintain and survive for a set amount of time (5 years?). Most of my ancestry comes from maintainers and survivors who settled in North Dakota way back when.
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  • Posted by  $  Stormi 1 month, 1 week ago
    Love it! Since Calif. wants to leave the US, set u the N-S border along Calif. and make sure all these invaders must stay there. These are not families escaping abuse, rather bought and paid for invaders sent by Venezuela, Soros and Obma, with the intent to destroy our Constitutional government. Backed by the UN, who wants capitalism, end to borders, and end to private property ownership. It is so glaringly obvious, ye t the Dems. think we are not aware of it.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 1 month, 1 week ago
    now...the claims about crime and murder are true and are because of the power of the cartels made real by illegal drugs...so first do away with drug prohibition...legalize all drugs...pull the rug out from under the drug cartels...
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  • Posted by term2 1 month, 1 week ago
    Not a bad idea, except that once admitted to California, they will spread out to other states and get goodies, OR there will be a call fro federal funds to maintain them somehow.

    In a lot of countries, a caravan like this would be shot as they tried to run the border. I wouldnt want to storm the usa-canada border. I would get returned to the USA perios, and if I was in a caravan, they would round us all up with the police and force us back after perhaps being thrown in regular jail if we didnt leave willingly.
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  • Posted by jdg 1 month, 1 week ago
    I wrote Trump and suggested this caravan as a golden opportunity to try out the military's new non-lethal toy, the Active Denial System ( https://infogalactic.com/info/Active_... ), against a large group. Set it up as close to the border as its precision will allow without going over, and turn it on.

    Somehow once the caravaners figure out that they can't cross into the US, I have a hunch Mexico will send them home, or at least back to Guatemala.
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  • Posted by jpellone 1 month ago
    The bottom line is that they are an invading force and should be dealt with in the same manner.

    We all know that this would be political suicide, there has to be something else we can do.

    I think we need to make illegal immigration a negative for the left. Why does the left want as many illegals as possible into the United States? The answer is simple!!! The more people they cram into a state gives that state a more powerful Electoral College. It is a simple fix. Let the census reflect the population of each state but only citizens are counted for Electoral College representation. Cali is one of the most populated states and has a very large Electoral College representation. Remove the incentive and cure the problem...
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    • Posted by ewv 1 month ago
      You can't stop the drive for welfare statism by demanding that your opponents not vote.
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      • Posted by jpellone 1 month ago
        I think you misunderstood my meaning. What I was saying is that if the US quit counting non citizens for the amount of representatives in the electoral college for any state it would remove the incentive for illegal immigration support.
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        • Posted by ewv 1 month ago
          The incentive for illegal immigrant support and an open-ended "path" to citizenship is global welfare statism and multi-culturalism, which in turn are a consequence of the acceptance and embracing of altruism and collectivism. Telling the (primarily) leftists that they can't implement their social agenda by insisting on undermining their voting does not remove their incentive and will not work.

          They want illegals voting and otherwise counted for representation because they want the global welfare statism and ethnic tribalism, not the other way around. They are not going to allow you to weaken their votes to stop their more fundamental goals. Look at the hysterical campaign they mounted to prevent verification of legal voting.
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          • Posted by jpellone 1 month ago
            Good points...
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            • Posted by ewv 1 month ago
              But don't stop demanding that non-citizens not be allowed to influence elections for as long as we can hold them back. Try to keep the left on the moral defensive where they belong instead of their usual illicitly seized 'high ground', but it takes more than arguing about voting rules. Their premises must always be challenged.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 1 month, 1 week ago
    Great idea! My wife and I were watching Fox News about the Caravan and that President Trump was sending the military to the border. My wife state that the military should bring the Sound Cannons to the Az border to stop those migrants from illegally crossing into the state. I definitely agree with her. I wonder if Trump might have told the military to bring such devices?
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  • Posted by  $  exceller 1 month, 1 week ago
    The president increased the number of troops to 15,000 which Lacosta called a "stunt" when questioning Mattis..

    I think he should order 50,000 to the border. Even then they may not be able to hermetically seal the border. There will be gaps which the illegals will sneak through.
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  • Posted by coaldigger 1 month, 1 week ago
    My tongue-in-cheek solution is to stop giving away ANY free stuff to anyone and let them come. We need workers, people with energy and ideas so if there any, we should take them. The people in the line are no worse than the people already here (including those whose relatives immigrated to the British Colonies pre 1776). So, all that would sort itself out and maybe some immigration of those only here for the free stuff might go the other way.
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    Posted by freedomforall 1 month, 1 week ago
    I think Trump should have already "handled" it as he promised when running for election. He has authority over immigration enforcement and over the military. This is a more serious undeclared war than Korea, Viet Nam, and all the waste of resources wars in the past 50 years.
    The military should already be on the southern border armed to the teeth.
    If that had been done with Trump's existing authority there would be no caravan at all.
    The states have no jurisdiction over border security so CA can go on wasting their time in court.
    But Trump has not done that.
    I think he has no intention of doing it either.
    Trump's lots of talk and very little action.
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    • Posted by term2 1 month, 1 week ago
      Trump can do a lot of thngs, but they will ALL be held up in court with restraining orders. Once the refugees set foot on american soil, Trump is pretty much powerless to return them without something like a 3 year court wait. So they stay in the USA during that time instead of being returned as they need to be UNTIL the court hearing.

      If the military intercepts the refugees on mexican soil with some sort of agreement with the mexican government (hopefully), that might work. BUT, the mexican government is feeding and providing transportation to these immigrants to get to the USA, so its unlikely they would allow US troops to enter mexico at all.

      Funneling them into California would work if they stayed there, and there was no call for federal money to take care of them. Leave it to California to do the heavy lifting. Not sure the immigrants can be kept in California however. They wold probably spread out across the country to escape detection.

      All this has happened in the EU before, so leftists know they will win.

      By the way, supposedly 3 more caravans are being prepared to follow this one. Something needs to be done or this will be a real problem with babies showing up at the border, pregnant wormen coming here to drop their babies and getting citizenship.

      I like Trumps idea of catch and hold instead of catch and release. Put them in tent cities and make them work to maintain the cities and pay for food. See how many want to come here then.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 1 month, 1 week ago
        Intercepting them outside the border is what Australia did. (The liberals hated it, but it worked.) Australia used the military (the navy) to stop them, so there is international precedence by an ally.
        Someone should leak that the border has been laced with mine fields that will take 20 years to clean up and cost $100 billion because the locations were lost when the FBI wiped Hitlery's computers.
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        • Posted by term2 1 month, 1 week ago
          It might be hard to stop them in mexico if the area in mexico is built up. It would have to be with permission from Mexico, or we pay mexican army to help.
          Plus, what happens if our military gets attacked outside of the border IN another country and has to fight back. The libs would love that. Australia could intercept offshore, not in another country.

          Anything Trump does there will be immediately sent to a friendly court to be stopped of course.

          Hopefully the migrants wont get there before the mid term election. Seeing the caravans is good for repubs, but actually dealing with the refugees will be good for the liberals.

          Something has to work, as I hears that 3 more caravans are starting up to follow this one. Predictable. I also think that the refugees will spread out across the border to make interception more difficult.

          Hard problem, as the liberals figured.
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      • Posted by mccannon01 1 month, 1 week ago
        "Funneling them into California would work if they stayed there, and there was no call for federal money to take care of them..." Yes, an emergency airlift should be set up to deliver them directly to the residences of Robert Di Nero and others of the same ilk for care and nurturing. They must remain where delivered until their hearing come up, no matter how many years it takes.
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    • Posted by  $  Dobrien 1 month, 1 week ago
      Its unbelievable what great arm chair quarterbacks there are. We are in a war and it is uncivil. From the Saudi /Turkey clown operation, to the ridicules unibomber crap plus mass #hootings. A mass of humans organized by the left to get Trump to over react .He is in the middle of a full on att@ck by the goonsHe is handling it. Freedom , the invasion is weaponized caravan of humans. He has frozen funds to The originating countries . He has finally got Mexico to pick sides and albeit ineffectively get involved. They will not gain entry to this country and after midterms we will build a wall.
      He has done more in less than two years to IMPROVE this country than any president in my life all while being under constant attack. It is shameful that he is being blamed for this.
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      • Posted by  $  exceller 1 month, 1 week ago
        Trump has increased the troops to 5,000, divided between the three States with a border with Mexico.

        It is good thinking but even that number may not be enough. There will be a continent sneaking through, no matter what the gov does. The only way to avoid the influx would be a human chain of military, covering every inch of the border.

        BTW, Mexicans are apparently supplying this mass with food and water. They'll do everything except taking them in. I also read Mexico offered them housing and jobs but they flatly refused. The organizers sold them the idea of going to the US.
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