Is this a correct concept of, “Racism?”

Posted by Solver 6 years, 11 months ago to Philosophy
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(Racism) “is the idea that the racial group is the primary unit of reality, and its benefit, whatever that means, is the standard of value by reference to which one should choose his actions.”
-Charles Tew

An example that came up is actionable concern about the vast differences of IQ scores based on race.

I thought this would be a good topic in an Objectivist forum.
Ayn Rand had this to say about racism,
https://ari.aynrand.org/issues/cultur...


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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    " rather anti-collectivst statement."
    That is normal because all fans of Ayn Rand are anti-collectivist.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    “...that the whole issue is seeing people as groups rather than individuals.”
    That was an rather anti-collectivst statement.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I haven't read the book, but I recall the controversy. It seemed to me, not having read the book, that the whole issue is seeing people as groups rather than individuals.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Is someone suppressing facts? I honestly don't know the first thing about this. I imagine, though, if I were a researcher wanting to study certain physical traits vs ability to pass a test, I'd pick detached ear lobe and rolling tongue as my physical traits to avoid it being misconstrued as endorsing racial traits being tied to identity groups.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 6 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As Rand says, statistical measurements of a collection of people, whether accurate or not, tell nothing about an individual.

    IQ does measure something, whatever it is, can be repeatedly measured with a reasonable consistency. Unfortunately as Charles Murray found out with The Bell Curve, publishing statistics which show groups have different means can be hazardous.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    “...we shouldn't be dividing individuals into groups in the first place.” How can this be prevented? We are all very different and grouping is used for what we have in common.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I’m sure some people do believe what you state. Does this mean that science in these areas should be actively prevented from finding the truth?
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  • Posted by 6 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Very true. “Facts” also shouldn’t be made up just because some think it would be more convenient If they were true. This is also a very dangerous precedent. Most of us would not like to live in a world like that of 1984.
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  • Posted by DeangalvinFL 6 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree with your points.
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    But facts are facts - they shouldn't be suppressed just because they are inconvenient. That is a very dangerous precedent.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 11 months ago
    The linked text is powerful. I don't have anything to add to it.

    " vast differences of IQ scores "
    IQ is just what we choose to put on the test and call IQ. Race is the physical attributes that we choose as criteria for race. Correlation between these two groups is compounding the issue that we shouldn't be dividing individuals into groups in the first place.

    Maybe the issue is racists wants to say race is real and their race is fundamentally superior. They imagine the IQ test as a measure of worth, and then they can scientifically conclude human value is bestowed more on their race. Those people should go do something they love and value in life and abandon dividing people into groups and putting the groups on scales of merit.
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  • Posted by DeangalvinFL 6 years, 11 months ago
    I think the Tew concept in the post is missing a key element. As stated it is a concept better described as racial, not racist.

    To be racist would also have to include some fundamental belief that one race is superior to others OR that one race is inferior to others. Thus, justifying actions towards another group that keep them down, based on the people's race.

    Simply identifying with others that are of a similar race and background, aka culture, doesn't make you racist. One can be proud to be Japanese without hating Egyptians, etc.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 11 months ago
    If so, then ANY individual promoting changes to equalize racial groups, is a racist.
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