Is this a correct concept of, “Racism?”

Posted by Solver 6 years, 11 months ago to Philosophy
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(Racism) “is the idea that the racial group is the primary unit of reality, and its benefit, whatever that means, is the standard of value by reference to which one should choose his actions.”
-Charles Tew

An example that came up is actionable concern about the vast differences of IQ scores based on race.

I thought this would be a good topic in an Objectivist forum.
Ayn Rand had this to say about racism,
https://ari.aynrand.org/issues/cultur...


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  • Posted by $ blarman 6 years, 10 months ago
    Racism is a form of elitism and is a product of divorce from reality. It posits that a non-selected and immutable characteristic is in fact justification to treat another person as an inferior.

    I think that Martin Luther King, Jr. actually got one thing correct: that men should be judged based on the content of their character (what they do) rather than their appearance.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 10 months ago
    Racism is a manifistation of collectivism.. Attributing philosophical characteristics via inheritence, a long ago disproven theory that no longer has any place in modern thought.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you...wow, britannica is still around.
    I sold my Britannica Encyclopedias to finance my trip to California in 1975...
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 10 months ago
    The link to your reply is below...it didn't disappear... it just went where it wanted...laughing.

    It is a separate comment, 4th stand alone comment from the top and I replied, right underneath it.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The awareness of one's behavior happens usually around age 6 on average. For some, even earlier...but that doesn't mean it becomes a full time thing...there is always that battle between automatic behavior (temptations/no control) and controlled/aware behavior...it takes the will, practice and repetition to make it a full time thing and even then...the automatic bicameral brain can act up, especially if you have a lot on your mind. (note: the auto brain and the mind are two different things but the best outcomes happen when Both are used in a task employing specialization)

    There are many today that are not aware of their own behavior...take the leftest ridiculous outrages for instance...that is exactly what pagan, bicameral man acted like. (the fault in their own behavior/ the fear of their own incompetence, is your fault...for the pagan man, it was their gods punishment).

    But here is a serious note: Mental diseases like Schizophrenia and Psychopathy often manifest without a conscience,...accentually...0 self introspection and sees everything as an impediment to their own survival...that is all the self awareness they have. What is really scary about these global deletes, criminals and politicians is that they can learn to imitate us so as to avoid detection.
    If someone with one or both of the mental diseases has a conscience, awareness of one's own behavior they are likely harmless to others but more of a danger to themselves.

    That is what I saw when I started my research into the differences between us and came to the conclusion that it is Conscience...those that have and those that have not. Not only is that the only true division in human societies but also the main cause of the division in the first place...all else is superficial and superficially promoted by the have nots.
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  • Posted by lrshultis 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wrote a long comment after accidentally hitting reply after one line. Tried to save it and then delete the one liner, but the long comment was disappeared. If I get time I will try another reply.
    Seems like if you write a reply and then a sub-reply to it, that deleting the first will delete the new reply also.
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  • Posted by lrshultis 6 years, 10 months ago
    Sorry accidentally hit reply.

    "Consciousness-(self introspection" would imply selves without introspection. At what age do those selves who (really can't use that word since they are not conscious, so not somebodies) are not conscious, gain introspection? Must be fairly late in life, I would guess. Also, do you consider self awareness as being consciousness?

    English more likely developed from some Anglo-
    Saxon dialect from the west German dialects which cannot be considered as English. Went to Old English, eventually to modern English with spelling locked up with the introduction of a dictionary.
    Much of the time English was written as it sounded to the speaker so words were spelled in many ways depending on the pronunciation of the locals.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 10 months ago
    Local self government was developed by Abraham and the Anglo-Saxons.
    Families govern themselves and in the event of a conflict that could not be resolved they go to the most wise in the community...therefore, government governs best when close to the governed.

    In my studies of the best languages...the only link I am aware of was Aramaic and Germany...but you could be right about the Anglo Saxons...interesting point,
    Thanks.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I know several foreign languages but I have not interest in learning or promotint Esperanto, Intelingua, or any other made-up language. A language, if it is spoken a lot, will naturally change over time.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Humanoids or Dolphins, whales and elephants?

    (hmm...let me guess before you answer...All of the above?)...laughing
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    From what I have read, IQ tests are not really very reliable in the first place.--As to what mine is, I don't know. I don't recall ever having taken one.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Why be proud of being born into a particular race or
    ethnicity (Japanese, Jewish, or whatever?) Your birth into it is not your own achievement.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 6 years, 10 months ago
    I had just turned 15 when I saw that book (The Virtue of Selfishness) on a trading shelf of the library in Waynesboro. The deal was that if you put in a book of your own, you could take one away and keep it. I had long thought the same things about racism and the Civil Rights Bill, and it seemed that I was alone in the world. But I put the book I had in, and took this one away, and I got the best of the bargain. (Later there was a sign on that bookcase forbidding its use to people under 16).--It is interesting that Ayn Rand said that as society got more statist, the people got more racist.--What about that great "liberal", Franklin D. Roosevelt (who, by the way, came from a rich, upper-class familty, didn't he?). He was the one who signed that racist Executive order 9066, which consigned many free-born Americans to internment camps (prisons), on the basis on their (Japanese) ancestry.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Problem with many languages is the lack of the ability to adopt concepts/words from other languages...not to mention the lack of metaphors.

    Metaphors are considered very important in achieving awareness and cooperation of, both sides of the brain..ie Unicameral) therefore the attainment of Consciousness-(self introspection). [Julian Jaynes]
    (Learned all that from those that continue his work).

    English excels at those things.

    Did you know that Germany originally spoke English?

    I just wish we would spell the way words sound or say the way words are spelled. (get rid of all "silent" letters)
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  • Posted by lrshultis 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are > 171000 current words not counting archaic words (about 30000) and most names of chemical compounds compounds (> 1000000).
    Average native US speaker knows 20000 to 35000 words with 4 year olds knowing about 5000 words and 8 year olds knowing something like 10000 words. I do not recall having such a large vocabulary at such a young age.
    Although I poorly studied the real languages German, Spanish, Russian, Danish, and French, I was more interested artificial languages for their grammars, Interlingua, Loglan, and Esperanto. I was more interested as to whether a language spoken has any effect on how people act. If I recall right, Loglan was created to test that. Loglan expresses exactly what is intended by all possible logical ways of expressing a thoughts.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not consistently anyway...too many silent letters but still the best overall language; Most words, concepts and metaphors. A language made up of many...just like the American culture was supposed to be...one culture, made up of many.
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  • Posted by lrshultis 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    For me the look see flash card stuff started in about 1947. Didn't Rand write something about the Japanization of America similar to the teaching of seeing symbols as with the ideograms of the Japanese language. That would be OK for writing the Romanized version of Japanese adopted after the war where Japanese was fully phonetic in pronunciation as in the Japanese script alphabets hiragana and katakana with 46 base characters But English is not a phonetically pronounced language.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You must have been just a bit behind me (or the change happened in your area first)...I went through the Phonics/look see debauckal, I was good at English before the change, disgusted afterward.
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  • Posted by lrshultis 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In grade school I tried to be unseen. I liked science and taking things apart and reassembling them. I was unable to spell, probably due to flash cards and no phonics. Loved reading about and making rockets. Made a bazooka out of a riffle stock and a pipe and shot CO2 cartridges filled with a zinc and sulfur mixture. Didn't last very long. One day apparently the neighbor lady called the cops and one just came into the house and took it away. On IQ tests I was good at relational things like a series of diagrams and finding a diagram which would be next in order and in completing numerical sequences, and very poor at any vocabulary things. My thanks goes out to those who invented computer spell checkers.
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  • Posted by Stormi 6 years, 10 months ago
    In the US, having access to horrible US schools, blacks and Hispanics fall below the white population in IQ. Hispanics actually rate higher as a group than blacks. The school system is dumbing down all of them.
    Rand makes so much sense in her discussion of race, so true, so on the mark. The black commentators can't stand the solo thinking black, or they go nuts. Just as the crooked Senators judge Ms. Ford by all sexual assualt victims, as being true, also quite wrong. Logic just tells you the Senators in general have no logic.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Something I always did well on and I suspect even better today.
    As I remember, in grade school, there wasn't a whole lot of that (I was very good at the flat/folded object match ups)...but I was also hyperactive and did not have the patients for testing...I just wanted it to be over.

    What were you good at Irshultis?
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  • Posted by lrshultis 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How would you do with the relationship type problems. Seeing similarities between different objects or abstract pictures? With practice that can be learned. IQ has a lot to do with one's life experiences solving puzzles, learning vocabulary, etc.
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