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To all the objectivist's who have vehemently denied conspiracies. What say. you now?

Posted by Dobrien 5 years, 7 months ago to History
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Those who follow Q are called Anons. The Anons are months ahead of the real news? The five eyes involvement with this Ongoing Coup de Tate had been disclosed months ago.

Five Eyes Spying on POTUS
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15 Apr 2018 - 11:37:31 PM
Re_read Five Eyes.
Avoid US data collection laws.
Hussein.
Public: Dossier FISA.
Not Public: Five Eyes UK/AUS POTUS targeting using pushed RUS decoy meetings / campaign insertions.
Hussein HRC LL Brennan Clapper NAT SEC WH SIT RM OP UK AUS assist/set up.
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B Hussien O had in a situation room in the White House that was set up for him to monitor and spy on Trump.
We also were aware of the MSM's role. five eyes Australia,Canada,New Zealand, UK, US
From Q

Ask yourself, how would 'FOREIGN' Allies' KNOW what is within a US TOP SECRET FISA warrant?
"NO INTELLIGENCE SHARED THROUGH THAT 'OFFICIAL CHANNEL' [AUS, CA, NZ, UK, US)">AUS, CA, NZ, UK, US)">FVEY]" - NUNES
Ask yourself, why are [2] 'KEY' Allies' VERY CONCERNED re: DECLAS & RELEASE?
YOU HAVE MORE THAN YOU KNOW.
UK/AUS [PRIMARY]
RATS RUNNING?
THE WORLD WILL KNOW.
ANONS KNEW.
JUST ANOTHER COINCIDENCE?
NOTHING TO SEE HERE.
Q

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2 USA Allies Caught up in Fisagate Are Sharing Info on Big Fish
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Important graphic.
How do you catch a FISH?
Use BAIT?
Imagine the information being shared NOW out of FEAR.
Q

Both British and Australia intelligence worked in coordination with the Mule faced turd muffin Brennan's C_A , DOJ and FBI,no name traitor, Hussein ,the evil hag. The goal was and is to interfere with a US Presidential election and then usurp the American people's duly elected President. It was/is an act of war ! It encompasses a very large group of agencies and most top officials in those agencies. The POS Obama has travelled the globe preceding Trumps visits to foreign leaders and followed his visits. The traitor John Kerry doing the same. They know they are doomed. The Great Awakening has rendered the MSM as totally complicit .The Narrative is dropped for the daily news at 4am from the black hat SMFPedoVermine and the headlines and talking points ring in unison across the media. This large group worked together with a plan to frame Trump. That is a f.....ing conspiracy.

Give me lots of down votes on this and you will never hear from me again.


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  • Posted by $ Stormi 5 years, 7 months ago
    When Trump walked into that Oval Office, I feared he was in over his head. He stalked about cleaning the swamp, but I did not trust Obama. I figured he had rigged communications. Sure enough, a couple dyas later, Obama was on camera telling his followers he has a "shadow government" and he would be back. That was in addition to the swamp left by Bush, Clinton and Obama, already in place. It is hard to tell them apart, but I think they are distinct. The Congressional pedophile ring, worth millions is part of the swamp. Obama has been plotting, at the WWC bldg. with Valerie Jarrett, how to employ his shad ow government to take down Trump -sedition. I wish he would pardon and employ Assange, and get that up and working defense. I do not trust DC, and Obama's submission of the first one page document to spy on Trump, signed by Lynch, no foreign involvement, says it all. When it was reused for no cumentation of foreign involvement, he handed to FBI and said, make it ahppen, whatever you have to do. Result, phony dossier, and ongoing corruption by DNC.
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    • Posted by 5 years, 7 months ago
      Yes that is why Admiral Rodgers (former head of NSA) is such a patriot.
      He informed President -elect Trump of the surveillance in an impromptu meeting at Trump tower ny after the election?They immediately moved the headquarters. Now the table is turned and I would place a large wager that the "Coup " players are being legally surveiled with a legally acquired FISA , after all they conspired with a foreign agent Christopher Steele (UK) and various Russian operatives to take down a duly elected President.
      The rats now are scrambling to save their scaly little tails.
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  • Posted by jimslag 5 years, 7 months ago
    So, we have some interesting comments. Some upset someone to no good end. Sorry for the rude introduction to World of Galt. Trump is not perfect, we did not elect him to be perfect, we elected him because he was not a Clinton. He was a businessman. Business is messy and it is dirty beyond belief. There are backroom deals and under the table money needed to get things done. I don't know about you, but I do not need a nanny government, one that tells me how to live my life. I dealt with that for 21 years in the military. I have seen the political wranglings in Dirty City, the District of Corruption and I was disgusted but I did my duties and moved on, but always looking for my Gulch away from that species that thrives on that corruption. This is my online Gulch but I am still looking for a physical one. Anyway, for Trump (The Prez), he is what we needed after 8 years of the Great O, he that is not fading into the sunset but interjecting himself on our psych with his presence. The government is a business but it is run as a self serving entity. It thrives on Power and always seeks more. The Big Government Party, both wings, rules with no regard to their constituents. One side wants war, the other wants to classify you into a subset and divide us into tribes that fight each other. It is so we do not fight them. You can take that with a grain of salt but that is where I am coming from. I do not know Objectivism but I am learning from some of the vast amount of knowledge that people have about it. I am a lousy student and it takes several iterations to settle in my brain as an accepted ideology.
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    • Posted by 5 years, 7 months ago
      Thanks for your thoughtful comments . I particularly enjoyed the Description of the district of corruption.
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      • Posted by jimslag 5 years, 7 months ago
        Thanks, sometimes I get on a rant and it seems to make sense at the time but looking at it later, I go, what was I thinking. This one though comes from the heart. I lived inside the Beltway for 2 years during the Clinton Clan years. I dealt with secure communications and had to deal with all the places that had them, including the White House. I have felt so degraded and looked down upon as I was when I went there. I was brought brought up to revere the military, my dad and uncles were all military, I was a military brat. The left despises it and the right uses it to nation build or dispose of leaders it does not like. Either way it is a force of destruction, not nation building, not a world police force. I lived it and have seen things and done things that I still cannot talk about. My thoughts are mine and occasionally I div them out and some like and some don't. Thank you for the kind words though....Jim
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        • Posted by 5 years, 7 months ago
          I have listened to a video of a Secret Service agent who watched the Clinton crime cartel operate in the White House.
          The head rapist was a disgusting pig according to his descriptions and The evil hag was a crazed angry Lunitic ready to chop of anyone's head who
          tried to do their job or use standard protocol.
          It will be a world holiday when Justice is served on them.
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 6 months ago
      I cannot deal with the details of any philosophy, especially when people start using the words that have been developed by those that followed the philosopher and know either exactly what they were thinking, or know it better. I do know that Atlas Shrugged was a book about many facets, the power of the mind to overcome the power of people, the ability to leverage, the falsity of government and corruption. I like some of the basic precepts of objectivism, but I refuse to get wrapped up in minutia. Ayn Rand drew me because she saw the dangers of politics, political power and an elitist gang who will take everything and return nothing, and develop an arrogant assumption it is theirs. Thats enough for me.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 5 years, 7 months ago
    I haven't noticed any down votes but then again, I hadn't payed that much attention.

    I think three of us have shown enough stuff to at least say: There is something to this. One could not predict, vet and research out all of what Q has shown thus far.
    This is over the top research, more than any one of us, more than an unconnected researcher, journalist or citizen could do...it has to be from an experienced, specialized, top clearanced insider.

    Just the resources, documents and photos alone, would fill several books.
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 7 months ago
      Carl, how about a highly competent, patriotic Military Intelligence team, with members that are part of NSA, maybe even CIA (although most of CIA appears to have been corrupted long ago) and DIA? They have the tools, the access and the reason.
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      • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 5 years, 7 months ago
        Those thoughts have crossed my mind as well...maybe, if the swamp gets cleaned enough to drink...we might find out.
        However, it might be best to keep Q a secret...the deep state rabbit hole is really deep...who knows what might crawl up and pop it's ugly head above ground.
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 7 months ago
          Actually Q does not want to be kept secret from the people, they want as many as possible to listen and learn how bad these people and their government are. Q hasn't even tapped into the herd they have in each part of government getting paid to daily try to sabotage the government and wreck it to install THEIR version, without our consent. So many people have missed all the crap going on, know nothing of Strozk and Page, or that Comey deliberately tried to quash the Hillary investigation, or what a fake dossier used for a FISA warrant actually mean, so they don't understand what a gross violation of their rights has occurred. The Deep State is counting on that, and that they can sway voters in November with soap opera and bad Hollywood actors.
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          • Posted by term2 5 years, 7 months ago
            It was the PEOPLE who elected Trump, despite the two parties being against him. One problem with the midterms is that it needs to be framed as a second vote FOR Trump, and not for Republicans specifically. Mainstream republicans dont want Trump but have to pay lip service to him because he has the people behind him
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    • Posted by 5 years, 7 months ago
      The proofs of Q are undisputable . Q and POTUS are coordinating tweets and drops. They use gematria to troll the clowns. This is a brilliant plan to inform the people of the corruption and the conspiracy from the worldwide deep state psychopathic pedophiles. When the takedown occurs and the indictments are unsealed it will be an historic event of epic porportion. Like Trump the more the MSM try to discredit Q and his followers it strengthens the people's resolve.

      We are at the precipice .D5 baby
      My prediction from Q drops is that first Kavanaugh gets confirmed . Then the FISA declas brings either Horowicz or Sessions to fire Rod Rosenstien .That also will end Heir Mueller's ridicules crime hunt.The songbirds are singing and the Australian An UK folks are coming clean due to the act of war they committed against US. Big Cant say his Name and others to be uncovered as traitors. Comey ,McCabe ,MSM shills ,Strozk, Page, Priestap Brennan , Clapper , Lynch ,Adam Shitft , Maxine Waters Traitor Kerry , BC Tarmac, HRC , VJ , Huma, DWS, Holder , Hussein to name a few of the 55,000 sealed indictments to be opened , they will face justice many in Guantanamo Bay. By the sound of it C Blassey Ford will be discredited and the flake will have to vote to confirm.
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      • Posted by term2 5 years, 7 months ago
        I hope you are right. I think though that Kavanaugh is going to sink in the mire of stupid sexual "harrassment" , now that additional claims are being proffered. I do think that the whole Rosenstein /Mueller thing will crash and burn though.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 5 years, 7 months ago
    Word play loving me dino just smiled with some excitement for the first time seeing "Fisagate."
    Me dino has learned particularly for listening to Hannity how a $hillary-paid-for dossier filled with Russian lies was illegally used in fisa courts to kick off the Mueller Witch Hunt.
    Hope the use of "Fisagate" becomes very prominent in the very near future.
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    • Posted by 5 years, 7 months ago
      DECLAS of FISA = [RR] self-incrimination.
      [RR] in charge of DECLAS.
      Due to massive CONFLICT OF INTEREST IG HOROWITZ was TASKED to final review [speed].
      [PREVENT LEFT 'ENDANGER' SOURCES & METHODS + MUELLER INTERFERENCE NARRATIVE]
      IT WILL ALL COME OUT.
      POTUS will not be BAITED TO FIRE when the release itself will FORCE RESIGNATION/TERMINATION [RR].
      UK/AUS (+ OTHERS) MUST LEARN THE TRUE DEFINITION OF 'ALLY'.
      [RR] PREVENTED [FORCE] FROM SIGNING NEW FISA's.
      ALL SIGNERS ARE CURRENTLY UNDER GJ INVESTIGATION.
      MCCABE MEMOS [NYT [RR] ARTICLE][PROVE] THE RATS ARE PANICKING.
      2018 WILL BE GLORIOUS.
      PREPARE FOR 'SKY IS FALLING' WEEK.
      Q
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  • Posted by starznbarz 5 years, 7 months ago
    Ive seen this "Q" pop up around the net, never chased it down, no need to as my instincts, based on decades of living with humans, tells me all I need to know about all politicians, car salesmen and communists. Even if some wouldnt admit it in public, Trump is shaping up to be the most Constitutional minded president since Coolidge, with the exception of Reagan... I know, I`m amazed too.
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  • Posted by EgoPriest 5 years, 7 months ago
    To what purpose? Trump is just as statist as his rivals. It makes little difference which of these pathetic thugs take the power the majority are giving them.

    In any statist context, for every political conspiracy there is an equal and opposite counter-conspiracy. As in Atlas Shrugged it matters not one iota whether Wesley Mouch or Mr. Thompson holds the reins of arbitrary, whim-directed power.

    That's my "theory" and I'm sticking to it.
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    • Posted by 5 years, 7 months ago
      "To what purpose"? To takedown a failed and corrupt government and return the power to the people. Your theory Your welcome to it. You don't have to watch Trump tell you the difference between him and the Kakistocrats but if interested here it is.
      https://youtu.be/G2qIXXafxCQ
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      • Posted by DeangalvinFL 5 years, 7 months ago
        Interesting.
        Surprisingly, I had not seen that video before.
        I am not a big fan of Trump, but I have to give credit where credit is due. That was a powerful speech. He said nearly all of the right things. And it was heartfelt.
        His methods and manner of operating are less than perfect, but thankfully he is in power rather than those that speak of the state as the solution to all problems. He, at least, sees the true solutions to be in the hands, heads and hearts of the individual citizens and business builders.
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        • Posted by 5 years, 7 months ago
          In President Trumps inaugural speech. Trump said
          "I am going to take the power out of Washington and give it back to the people". I have never heard That from any president, and I was heartened. The statists and MSM hated his speech
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      • Posted by term2 5 years, 7 months ago
        Trump is quite the opposite of the MSM and mainstream politicians of both parties. It was a personal election in 2016- and people voted for HIM, not the republicans. He pretty much used the RNC to get him into office, but neither party wanted him to win (or expected him to win). The establishment is firmly against trump and would like to get rid of him.
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      • Posted by EgoPriest 5 years, 7 months ago
        Watched the video. Here's my response:

        People who know not how to think in principle will always fall for O'Brien because they secretly love (and need) Big Brother. That's Trump, and he is playing his part to perfection, which is to characterize himself as a political outsider when he is and has been for decades the very financier and media mogul of statism and insider-cronyism he pretends to oppose. America does NOT need Trump. What the once land of the free, home of the brave needs is someone with the courage to say "No!" to all the Nationalist and Globalist collectivists alike. What we need is a government that protects the right of every individual to live their own life unbeholden to the supposed "interests" of the group.
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 7 months ago
          "What we need is a government that protects the right of every individual to live their own life unbeholden to the supposed "interests" of the group."

          How would you propose that happens, if the Nationalists and Globalists already are in place? Do you think Obama was neutral? Did nothing in 8 years? Who, then, will take on the task of unmasking all of the people who are unified in pursuing the Globalist collective? If not Trump, then who?
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        • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 7 months ago
          "What we need is a government that protects the right of every individual to live their own life unbeholden to the supposed "interests" of the group."
          It seems to me people naturally revert to mob rule, by a sort of anthropological entropy, and we have to put philosophical energy into the system to maintain liberal constitutionally-limited democracy.
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          • Posted by EgoPriest 5 years, 7 months ago
            Yes, without a philosophy of reason they revert to a sub-human animal mode of existence (read Ayn Rand's The Missing Link in Philosophy: Who Needs It).

            Another far more exhaustive survey (which I've read) is Sir James Frazer's "The Golden Bough: A Study in Magic and Religion": (https://thegreatestbooks.org/items/768)
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            • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 7 months ago
              That's next on my list after the lectures ewv recommended. BTW, ewv says people in that animal mode of existence had a philosophy, just a bad one. But I think most people act without a philosophy. And some of us (maybe me sometimes; I hope not) reconstruct rationalizations to explain why our behavior that was led by heuristics actually was based on a rational philosophy.
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      • Posted by EgoPriest 5 years, 7 months ago
        An advocate of the trader principle might recognize the justice of watching a video I consider relevant to the discussion if you expect me to watch the video you consider relevant. As it is, "Mr. Trump will not be speaking to me tonight (his time is up)."
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        • Posted by 5 years, 7 months ago
          Yes you have some validity to your trader principal yet you brought Trump into the discussion . I said nothing about Charles Tew.
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          • Posted by EgoPriest 5 years, 7 months ago
            Your original post is all about Trump ("The goal was and is to interfere with a US Presidential election and then usurp the American people's duly elected President").

            And it's not specifically MY trader principle. That is an integral part of OUR philosophy (or at least mine).

            Am I the only one here who doesn't love "Big Brother"?
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            • Posted by 5 years, 7 months ago
              I wasn't intending to claim it was "your trading principal". What I love is bringing the treasonous seditious offenders to justice. Trump is the Only president who is taking them on. He has also cut more regulations than any other Pres. Is he perfect? No . Does he have a history of playing the crooked financial system and the zoning grab bags. Yup
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            • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 7 months ago
              Where have you been the last 20 years, in a cave? Let's see, the Bush clan creates an ongoing war in the Middle East, then incompetently pretends they do not know anything about Al Quiada, enough to actually find them, we have 9/11 and they pass the Patriot Act, which is the biggest Big Brother law ever created, and then we find the Obama/Dems/Clinto/DOJ/FBI involved in using said Big Brother law to spy on a Presidential candidate. Yet you seem to vehemently hate and blame Trump as Big Brother. Hello? Logic please?
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 7 months ago
      EgoPriest, Interesting, you seem more of an anarchist than an objectivist. Trump would seem to have more appeal to an Objectivist than any other political clown. No one here tries to push another agenda, we discuss and debate, usually with an amount of respect for each other.
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      • Posted by EgoPriest 5 years, 7 months ago
        How so? An anarchist is the absolute opposite of an Objectivist. That's the politics of whim-worship.

        The only "agenda" operative here seems to be to sow confusion, as the posts are practically unreadable and undecipherable.

        Besides acting on whim, the only consistent policy position Trump has ever held to is protectionism (also utterly antithetical to a philosophy advocating laissez-faire).

        I find this bait-and-switch method of arguing among all these co-conspiracy theorists to be anything but respectful.

        Please just say precisely what you mean without the baseless insults to my integrity. Thank you.
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 7 months ago
          Ego Priest, please take note, I am plain spoken, honest, blunt. I call a turd a turd, not " a defecatory opulent ejection of biological masses with olfactory offense". Arguments that take root in a lot of referential names, various schools of philosophy, and large words of unsure meaning, generally will not gather a good debate. Nor will seemingly engaging in a competition to prove your thoughts are the right ones and try to bend everyone else's to your will. Speak clearly, plainly and offer your opinion, and you will get a better response form most people here. There some people very well educated, who may have a much deeper and broader understanding of Objectivism than a lot of us do, and you can probably find them and have high level philosophical debates all day. A lot of us try to relate AS to the real world, as we believe Ayn Rand saw the real events that hide behind the theater and was trying to warn us of the risks. We are people who are fearful for our country, our freedom, and our personal freedom and integrity. We see the danger that is hidden by the smoke and mirrors, We know that we need all the tools we can get to try to fight back by discovering and spreading the reality of the situation. To use we are past the days of intellectual debate about politicians and policies, we are at the place of identifying and removing those that threaten our liberty and freedom. A lot of people want to hate on Trump for many reasons, and a lot of Gulchers have issues with him in various ways. However, that does not mean he is not the right person for the times we are in, especially if he is being supported by people dedicated to the Constitution and the idea of personal freedom. He isn't perfect and he isn't all goodness and honey, but he is what we have to work with. So, please be plain spoken, direct, and honest, and we can have good discussion and clarity with what we know, and then go try to find what we do not know.
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            • Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 7 months ago
              Ah, EgoPriest, I can see why you use the name, you do not apparently want to indulge others in polite debate, but seem hell bent on election in continuing to preach. To quote Q "Move along, there is nothing to see here".
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            • Posted by EgoPriest 5 years, 7 months ago
              It's down to earth Ayn Rand gets, and it's on the earth her convictions and integrated philosophic system keeps me firmly rooted. Now let's stop wasting valuable time and energy on fruitless speculation or myth-making and focus on the necessarily inter-connected principles of what is nominally "our" philosophy (nothing less will do, if diligence is the value -- "due diligence" a phrase Charles Tew is also quite fond of.)
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              • Posted by term2 5 years, 7 months ago
                We do need to GET THERE while we are still alive, however. Hence some attention does need to be paid to whats going on now so we know the best way to fight it.

                That said, I dont listen anymore to the collectivists. I already know where they are coming from. I do think its valuable to pay attention to WHAT they have come with to lay on us next. Always best to know what ammo they will use against you and how to defend against it.
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        • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 5 years, 7 months ago
          That was Dob's point...they are opposite.
          Yes, it's difficult to learn that language, being in the Army, I am familiar with some of that language...it's a learn as you go proposition and it's done this way so those that are under investigation don't catch on.

          Nothing wrong with protection our national interest. Trump knows how to deal with these countries and they will come around to free trade. You have seen this happen, little by little.

          The swamp, the corrupt, the global parasitical humanoids...do not deserve respect.

          Dob, was not trying to insult you...he was pointing out a blind spot. Things are playing out right now in a way that causes the guilty to give themselves away. They feel embolden now so we just add some gas to the fire...eventually it will burn them.

          That is My take, for the moment, and I'll stick to it until I find evidence to the contrary.
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          • Posted by EgoPriest 5 years, 7 months ago
            Thanks for your clarification. I've been baffled by these sort of posts since I arrived here. It all strikes me as a case of too many ones in the many. After 9/11 I saw Alex Jones' Martial Law and was a "Truther" for years until I realized the epistemological chaos at the root of his whole approach. People like that are not Objectivists and can only make things worse. People are invariably driven by their moral premises and I agree with Peikoff's predictions for our future in The DIM Hypothesis. How it plays out is of little interest to me, and I just will not get sucked into the labyrinth of speculation again (it's not good for my once-mystical psychology). So I will continue to study Galt's Speech and apply it to whatever concretes ARE within my ability to grasp.

            Trump is an opportunist with no principles save one: power. He is the worst of Wynand and Thompson combined. The Ellsworth Toohey's and Floyd Ferrises of the world will play him like a fiddle one way or the other:

            Bernie Sanders (Toohey):
            "So you were after power Mr. Trump? Power over men? You've never been enough of a scoundrel. I don't mind handing you that, because I don't know which is worse: to be a great scoundrel or a gigantic fool. That's why I'll be back. And when I am, I'll run this country."
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            • Posted by 5 years, 7 months ago
              You have been on the gulch for Three day .We have been learning about and following Q anon since February. Q has nothing to do with Alex jones. He is a Deep state shill. I would suggest you Look into my post who is Qanon, but you want to study the fictional speech of the fictional John Galt as you state. That's fine with me.
              If and When you learn what we are discussing , Your judgement will have more value.
              Have a great day!
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              • Posted by EgoPriest 5 years, 7 months ago
                Fair enough. Consider me schooled. I'll admit the possibility of committing a "premature integration" and hope others will be honest enough to do the same.

                Note to self: "Must research the political masquerade de jure."

                Good day.
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            • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 5 years, 7 months ago
              Trumpet has, for years, had to act and engage the ilk we'd all like to go away to survive the corrupt business world under the present cronycrapitalism that they created.
              He wants to right the paradigm...this time...in our favor. Back to as close as we can come to original principles of Repulic[ism] and a true unfettered free market system. That's what made this country great.

              You have to be a tough guy with the creatures that created this swamp while we've been just living our lives over the past 100+ years.

              We should be able to get close to that goal, but we have to stand up, support that effort and hold all accountable by holding their feet to the fire...and that includes Trump.
              We understand, thanks to Q, why he acts they way he does...we should see a change in that behavior as the swamp, to what ever degree, is drained.
              Clearly, Trump has more mutuality with us, the elite on the street than any other president in 150 years, save Regan. No one's perfect, but he volunteered to do this.

              So, as Q says, grab some popcorn and enjoy the show...we will, speak up when in the wrong direction it goes but hopefully it won't.
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    • Posted by term2 5 years, 7 months ago
      There are differences in political leaders. Trump is not an objectivist, nor are any other politicians today. But I would feel better with Trump at the helm than Obama, for example. Maybe they both do statist things, but Trumps are NOT as bad as Obama
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      • Posted by EgoPriest 5 years, 7 months ago
        Have you read "The DIM Hypothesis: Why the Lights of the West Are Going Out" by Leonard Peikoff? It's his application of Objectivism to the state of the world and the "forces" at work.

        If you do and agree with its conclusion, you will see why the Trumps, Petersons and Richard Spencers of the world are the only real (because lasting) threat on the horizon.

        All that nihilists like Obama can do is speed up their triumph, only they have any staying power, only they can "win."
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        • Posted by term2 5 years, 7 months ago
          I havent read much of Peikoff's work, as what I did read frankly was a bit over my head ( my fault actually). I voted FOR Trump not because I thought he would stop collectivism, but because I thought he would not advance it and maybe even slow it down a bit. This is a selfish motive, because I wont be around that much longer, and really dont want collectivism to ruin the rest of my life and more than it has already.

          Fixing this country is going to take many many years, and in the meantime it will follow the path of Venezuela. I think AR was right in AS where the only way John Galt could have a shot at changing things was by "stopping the motor of the world" FIRST.

          I take that to mean that the producers no longer support the idiocy of collectivism, period, causing the crash of the whole collectivist economy
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          • Posted by EgoPriest 5 years, 7 months ago
            Not sure which of Peikoff's writing you're referring to. Not everything of his is on the same abstract, or even philosophical, level. I would recommend The Ominous Parallels as being no more abstract than Atlas Shrugged.

            To be selfish, one acts proudly on principle whatever the range or scope of one's actions. You make the most of every moment and let the future worry about itself (how much longer did Hugh Akston have, for instance, when he quit and joined the strike). And it's not a national, but a global, issue.

            Project the consequences of our philosophical revolution actually succeeding. "America" might wind up centered in Africa for all I know. There are no "values" but the ones people create on the basis of true principles.

            Yes, in general all that people on the right can do -- like the "scabs" in Atlas -- is slow it down and drag it out. They can neither reverse or change course short of dismantling and converting the system to pure laissez-faire (which can only happen when Objectivists are let into leadership positions).

            If you pick up DIM, Peikoff recommends in the Introduction chapters that are easy to read without going into all the technical jargon. There are also, of course, Youtube videos ( e.g., https://youtu.be/gQomhCVmDto ).

            I agree with your second paragraph, and he can't do it alone. The vertical (philosophy) without the horizontal (culture) is as purposeless as the latter is without the former impossible.

            And yes, "the idiocy of collectivism," given the dominant ideas (vertically) must manifest culturally as "productive" support for a collectivist culture collapsing regardless (only dragging out the agony more slowly than it ought to be).

            As it collapses, good people must look to any "enclave" in which they can survive (or at least not starve outright); remote, self-sustaining farms or islands perhaps.
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            • Posted by term2 5 years, 7 months ago
              Thanks. I will check out those links. I just remember Peikoff from the early days of Objectivism- all that epistemology was a little too much for me to grasp and actually use.

              Your last paragraph about finding an "enclave" is pretty much right on. Finding a reasonably small number of really good people would not be a terrific challenge, but defending such an enclave would be quite difficult. Look at Ruby Ridge, Waco, and the Bagwhan. These enclaves would need to be relatively small and pretty much self sufficient in order not to attract attention
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              • Posted by EgoPriest 5 years, 7 months ago
                I agree. Speaking of the Bagwhan, what a great documentary that Wild, Wild Country was. That stuff was happening in my back yard when I was in my early teens. I ran away from home once to join them, but it was too late.

                Also I grew up Seventh-Day Adventist and all they talk of is the "end times" when the government passes "the Sunday Law" and stamps 666 on everyone's forehead and the chosen one's all run to the hills. (So I was ripe for Galt's Gulch from an early age).

                Now I know better than to take it quite so literally. In the digital age there is a network, an economy under anyone's radar. But it speaks with a loud voice. "Q" is only the "voice" of the Collaborator-in-Chief (as though instead of burning his oil fields and disappearing, Ellis Wyatt had decided to run for Head of State...now if only he could get Galt to write his damn speeches).
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                • Posted by term2 5 years, 7 months ago
                  I watched all the episodes of the Wild, Wild Country documentary a few months ago. It sounded somewhat alluring actually, although its hard to know the detail of what they were really up to. I came away from watching it with a great disdain for the government's handling of it. Even though I could say their ideas were a bit different from mainstream ideas, I thought it was OK for them to practice those without being hounded by government. People seemed to join up willingly and stay there, even though I got the distinct impression if you wanted to leave, you were free to do so.

                  Our government has hounded any such group that wants basically to withdraw from the establishment powers and be left alone. I think this would happen to a Gulch if it became large enough and prosperous enough. It would be impossible to defend, at least in the USA. Maybe on an island somewhere away from the USA.

                  I remember seeing the PTL club on TV, where Jim Bakker made basically a christian water park. I am not into the religion thing, but I thought a lot of people definitely were into that, and should be able to freely go to a nice place that gave them what they wanted. The government basically destroyed their reputation, which killed their customer base, and resulted in BK (I say was caused BY the government).

                  What they did is no different than what the health clubs do when they charge up front fees, hoping that only a fraction of the people will actually come and work out every day. BUT, there isnt an anti establishment tone to those businesses.

                  A Gulch would definitely be anti establishment, and would engender all kinds of collectivist hatred I think. I would move there in a second however.
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  • Posted by EgoPriest 5 years, 7 months ago
    "The evil is impotent and has no power but that which we let it extort from us."-Ayn Rand
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    • Posted by EgoPriest 5 years, 7 months ago
      By which I mean to imply that I consider this entire area of "inquiry" patently false and will not indulge it or those who insist on promoting or engaging with it any further. (The "Q" begins and ends with them).

      I am not open to such open departures from reality, pragmatic or rationalistic schemes, as are themselves not open to reason. Qanon is a deceptive cult, and conspiracy. The philosophy to which I subscribe is neither.

      Any and all challenges to this shall forthwith be categorically ignored (go peddle your nonobjective nonsense elsewhere).
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      • Posted by 5 years, 7 months ago
        I really don't really care what you consider false. "Will not indulge it or those who insist on promoting or engaging with it any further".
        Please don't you have nothing to add .

        Your ignorance of cults is telling .No cult leader is anonymous, no cult leader tells you to think for yourself, no cult leader tells you to do your own research. No cult leader does not want money.
        Please don't tell me what to do and don't tell me what is objective or not.
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