Even if he did....it is a legitimate course of action against a competitive nation...who cares! Obama tried to influence the Israeli elections because he viewed them as a competitor, He sent money and experts to the opposing party people and actually mentioned it in speeches. Besides....when talking about diplomacy, it is best not to look too hard at the past...which cannot be changed. Trump took this view with N Korea. No point in getting snotty with competitors about the past...unless you are in a position to conquer them. Best to make nice and hope you can convince them to be better, while at the same time punishing any negative current activity.

Zero, you better leave or change your narrative.

You don't really belong here, don't you think?

I see you are from WA. Great State, very left from CA, if that is all possible. Aren't you by chance the "Rage" who came to this forum recently claiming Rand was wrong?

Agree.

The "swamp" mentality has been the standard in DC and in Gov for a long time. I had a friend who was a nice guy until he ran and was elected to Congress. He changed from one day to another. He said he went there to "do good". But was soon educated that "no, no, you are in this for yourself". Forget who elected you and representing them.

It is an existential issue so no surprise they are defending it tooth and nail. Specifically, because they have no alternative course other then dropping off the grid.

The greatest threat to the USA is right here in our country it is the ClintonBushObama establishment. " Like any good Objectivist, I speak for no-one and no-one speaks for me." from your bio Zero.
Of course you can't speak for Ayn .
If she was to support the CIA DOJ and FBI that we have suffered with for the last thirty years or more I would have lost much respect for her. The top folks are corrupt and deep staters .
Clinton did spend campaign money paid to Perkins Coui to FussionGPS Who funneled $ to foreign agent Christopher Steele who paid Russian agents for dirt on Trump that was the phony dossier that was given to the FBI and used to start the Witch Hunt.
2 years $30 million spent investigating and zero Russian collusion evidence against Trump.
Manafort charged with a tax charge from more then a decade before Trumps campaign.James "liar" Comey net worth $8 million, Robert "Uranium 1 " Mueller net worth est $15 million hmmmm and Rod "the fixer" (Seth Rich) Rosenstein avoid and ignore congressional oversight. Because you figure they are patriotic we should take that as the truth. I highly doubt Ayn Rand Would be opposed to oversight of the justice dept from elected officials.
The panicking useless (unless you value destroyers) swamp scum.
Servers destroyed , stolen , acid washed.
Give me a break. Be objective.

I mean physically changing the vote...like pulling off chads in Florida or writing code that deliberately routes to the opposite choice, actual interference. Not influence like buying signs for a counter group, or paying for street protestors, paying speakers to talk on the radio or TV.

What I know is not to trust any of them.
The intelligence agencies don't need my personal private information, but instead of honoring the privacy of Americans that they are supposed to be working for they claim "if you have nothing to hide you don't have to worry. Trust us."
I saw what the fedgov did at Ruby Ridge and Waco, murdering Americans who had hurt no one and threatened no one. "Trust us."
I see an investigation that has taken over a year and is filled with biased people who are supposed to be unbiased. "Trust us."
I see FBI agents writing that they will prevent the people from having the president they have elected. "Trust us."
I see the media constantly making claims against the administration without any evidence. The same media that protects democrats who created a phony file to use as an excuse to spy on a presidential candidate that opposed them. The same media that has publicized leaks from the FBI that has no basis in fact, but harmed the GOP candidate and/or assisted the Dem candidate.
Yes, you're damn right I want proof.
It's naive to accept anything that politicians say or the media publish without evidence regardless of whether the politicians are domestic liars or foreign liars.

The only way to regain our liberty is to reduce the power of the federal government.

I am beginning to fear that the swamp can not be drained. It seems that too many have sold their souls. I have often wondered what the underlying theme of the zombie fad was. I dread that these zombies foretell the overwhelming sell out of our liberty and our life for a vacuous, stifling and feckless existence under the yoke of the one world order.

The swamp creatures are diverse and many. There are few left who will see a crocodile and not be convinced (terrorized) into identifying it as a puppy.

Ayn Rand is rolling over in her grave.
The Gulch defends a Russian dictator and his sycophantic lackey against all of America's intelligence agencies.

Do you think our guys are incompetant or just party hacks?

I've always figured that most everyone who works at the FBI, CIA or NSA would be a pretty strong patriot.
I can't imagine the work would appeal to anyone who isn't.

But you'd take the assurance of a former KGB Director, hell-bent on returning his country to one-party rule, over the portfolio of evidence collected by some of our smartest, most true-blue, front-line warriors.

Because they won't show you the top-secret files.

You demand they "Show me the proof!" - knowing the files will not be released to the general public - rather than accept the obvious.
These same files have been seen and accepted by congressional overseerers from both parties.

Perhaps you should take a more dispassionate look at what you do know but refuse to see.

Paying people to change votes...you mean like ACORN? But then, it's not hacking when you're electing the first Black, Woman, Gay, Lesbian, Trans, (fill in the blank) to the Presidency.

Unless they actually were hacking into voting machines via the web or doing so physically, or paying people to change votes, there is no tampering, only influence. All governments spend money to influence other nations elections.

If there was any such evidence discovered you can be all but certain that the FBI would have leaked it to the press by now.

Everyone is screaming about Trump's actions and statements to Putin in Helsinki but I can't seem to find where the proof is that Putin engineered the tampering or hacking of our elections. NWB