Hmmm
So, did a former Mexican President give his middle finger to Trump on national television? Was that meddling in our election?

Did various European and other world leaders make comments about our election? Were some USA voters influenced by such commentary? No doubt some small amount of votes were influenced. That is all normal.

Yet, some emails were released from the DNC for all to see. Honest, actual emails that revealed some info that made H. Clinton and Democratic leaders not look so good. It matters not to me if the release was done by or assisted by some Russian spies or not.

And, Trump met with the Mexican President while campaigning. Was that collusion? Actually talked to the guy, in person.

No votes were directly altered. This is all much ado about nothing.

Hi 25n56......,
I quit the paper in 2015 and should have a decade before.
No MSM for me. Thanks to Qanon I have never been more informed. You can type Qmap.pub in your search engine. Prepare to be awakened.

Regarding my above comment from about 2 months ago, add Bruce and Nellie Ohr to the projected Russian Collusion. Witch Hunt!
Now the hunters are being hunted. In this case that is a good thing. #Trust the Plan

Obama was a gift from Rev. Wright, who feld she, or whatever, needed a hubby, and he needed to appear straight. The kids have no birth certificates, so who knows where they acquired them. Meanwhile Charles Marshall Davis, likely daddy, taught Barry all about communism from age 10 on. Later, he learned you coul make money as a gay prostitute to get cocaine money in Hawaii.Now, he wants to comit treason and overthrow Tump, with Valeriie's help.

My dear Dobrien, you are so right! I am getting depressed over all these lies? Now this crazy stuff in the New York Times. Are they making this stuff up? I've quit reading even my local newspaper.

Back at you Stormi! Isn't that interesting? In reading a book about the Obama's it seemed Michelle got very disappointed in him, but something perked her up. Isn't it nice they are so rich now and own what, 5 homes including the mansion Magnum PI worked from?

Thank you AB, I needed that.
Seems lonely in here sometimes.
A lot of the old names have moved on but I just can't abandon one of our flagship sites.
Oh well. (with a weary smile and a proffered hand) Thanks again.

Don't forget the commie got a lot of young college men laid too

This is excellent...

Very astute observation ;^)

You know...JFK was making real inroads in forming an alliance with Krushchev. Now, we have this president doing similar things while (reportedly) alienating our intelligence agencies. I really hope this doesn't end the same way. If it does, at least I'll be able to teach my kids something useful...

I am in the same conditions here in NY PIX. At this point I don't even bother arguing with my liberal acquaintances, Note that I did not call them friends!
Instead I simply make my feelings know and offer them a glass of Kool Aid while me and my friends are having a beer. They just don't get it and are constantly espousing for more cops, more laws, more prisons and more entitlements and in their next breath they gripe about the NY Tax Rates. I can't fix STUPID!

Thanks Gary ... I can hear your frustration with all of this and I am on the same page. Individually -- I think that we can make a beachhead... Example: when my ultra liberal Seattle running friends and associates make sounds regarding their causes (tents for the homeless), taxes on employers for the homeless, minimum wages (Yes, this is All Seattle, All the Time) ... I make my own voice heard. I had remained quiet on this in years gone by ... no more. They are going to hear that there is another side to the story -- a side with reason and accountability.

Which is why I endorse Jefferson's idea forbidding parties altogether.Oh, I know they will form anyway, but they'll have no legal standing and as a result less power.

I agree. But the whole idea of politics was based on an incorrect view of human nature.

All of this discussion is simply a waste of time and energy, purely boarding the train of the Deep State's smoke and mirrors tour. Every country attempts in some manner to influence the elections (and fake elections) of its competitors. Who cares? We need to learn the facts and the names of those within our Fed that have for years intentionally been taking advantage of their positions to disenfranchise the American citizens. We need them outed and punished. If the Russians did succeed in providing visibility to main street Democrats with regard to the dishonest actions of the DNC, we should give them (the Russians) a big thank you.

Good catch! Grandpa paid the Obama from Africa to come over and sign the certificate, he had been here under some kind of CIA program as a young man, but was not a citizen - and likely not the real dad. Telling Gramp's CIA superiors that daughter was pregnant by a commie porn writer with a wife was not going to og over well, so hire someone to sign the thing.

True.
But that was not its original intention. Now it is power and money. It was intended to be representation and the job of the already wealthy.

Stormi, I liked your post. I am still trying to figure out how Obama qualified to be President. Reading the Constitution, requirements are that both persons who signed the candidate's birth certificate must be American citizens. I saw that his father was not an American citizen, and he signed Obama's birth certificate! Duh?

But politics is all about power over other people. Take a disgusting and evil profession at its core,and filed with people supported by the mobs that plan on exerting their influence on over the othe mob hat voted against them

Actually, politics is like anything that's competetive.
Even things that might never cross your mind. When you see a symphony orchestra and there are more than one player of a particular instrument, let's say, the French Horn. There are 3 of them in most symphony orchestras, but only one of them is the lead player, who gets to do any solo work and is responsible for the French Horn group. However, the younger player next to him is looking to take his seat. Why? More prestige and more money.This is true in every part of the orchestra. There is always someone looking to be the top dog in any chosen field, whether it's in politics, art, retailing, or a hospital staff.Politics is supposed to be non-self serving.In a democracy, it represents the people. But how many politicians put their own ambition ahead of the people? Once you understand that, you understand just about everything you need to know about politicians.

politics has a strange business model. Its a way to exert power, but at the price of having to watch your back all the time for others who want that power. I do think that Trump got into politics to actually do something good for the country, but has had a rude awakening that the swamp he talked about is a LOT deeper and wider than he ever thought- requiring a LOT of defensive maneuvers to keep from being knocked out. Its a shame, since the country suffers.

Thanks for your reply.

Yes, you are correct. I voted for him as well, although I did not hold my nose. I knew he would have the strength and thick skin to oppose the left. He was in a killer business before and if he learned the street fighting tactics there, all the best for us. Many people do not understand that.

Except in rare instances and often we don't recognize it until they're gone.

Yes! I would berate you for not being certain that I was being sarcastic.....but there are so many nutjobs these days that will argue black is white, that it is fair to question these things. I held my nose and voted for Trump but he has thus far wildly exceeded any expectation I had for any of the candidates. He is a frickin rock star!

I'll shut up, I don't have the inclination or time to go back and forth with you, there are too many fish to catch and I don't have that much time left. I hope you have a wonderful life in the country you wish to change it to. I had a wonderful life growing up in the early 40's and 50's, we didn't have to worry about all the issues there appear to be today. People just got along and lived their own lives with even little knowledge of those who were obviously gaining control of our lives. I've seen a lot of change over the years and to me it is not for the better. You can win, I gotta get some rest, fishing starts again at 5am tomorrow.