10

Chicago's gun violence is intolerable -- Trump should provide help

Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 9 months ago to Government
41 comments | Share | Flag

I am not sure what is up with Fox here. Chicago is a bastion of Democratic Liberal "control it all and it's fixed" policies, yet they get the usuall Liberal results: Control does not guarantee success. They have just driven valid law abiding gun owners undergraound and ensured that the bad guys have the unfettered illegal access they have always had, except the good guys have nothing to protect themselves with. I would think the right answer is to say that the Democratic machine politicis has failed Chicago, and if the people are not smart enough to see that, and vote in a new government that might actually work, then maybe they haven't killed each other enough to make it clear. That may seem cold, but I think you get the government you deserve, and if you want to swallow the propaganda, then thats your problem. Own your own issues.
SOURCE URL: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/07/29/chicagos-gun-violence-is-intolerable-trump-should-provide-help.html


Add Comment

FORMATTING HELP

All Comments Hide marked as read Mark all as read

  • Posted by $ allosaur 5 years, 9 months ago
    Why should Trump waste his time trying to help lib voting idiots who can't help themselves?
    Me dino's solution for the gun violence in libtard Chicago is~
    Keep your guns and especially yourselves as far away from that silly place as possible.
    That goes for New York City too.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
    • Posted by GaryL 5 years, 8 months ago
      Best advice I have heard yet! I just look at who is doing the killing and who is getting killed and I can't get too excited about any of it. There are sections in just about every city or large town that we all should just stay away from for all the same reasons.
      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
    • Posted by RevJay4 5 years, 8 months ago
      Totally agree, Dino. When enough good folks leave Chicago due to the lawlessness encouraged by the leftists, they might have an awakening to what the problem is, the liberal government.
      Probably not, they don't seem to be that smart. Must be the gases emanating from the swamp the place was built on affecting rational thought.
      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
    • Posted by NealS 5 years, 8 months ago
      While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree with most of it. Refusing to help the "lib voting idiots" could/is resulting in more of the same stuff that just doesn't work. Also your comment is a retaliatory comment, something I find myself doing a lot more of these days, something libs and most of us will fight tooth and nail against.

      And "keep your guns and yourself far away" can/will only result in the same kind of thing a certain people currently infiltrating many different countries are hoping for. It's similar to the plague.

      Ignore them and they will multiply and take over geography belonging only to them. The problem is they are planning on and actually expanding their theories, archaic laws, and complete and total influence in the world. I hear about people leaving California, I did, when actually they should stay and fight. I didn't fight in California, I only fought in some far and distant land for some foreigners, but never really stood up for California or Chicago. We actually need a war against South Chicago and what's happening in California, etc. It seems it's the only thing the Deep State and the left understands, well maybe they'd understand.
      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
      • Posted by $ allosaur 5 years, 8 months ago
        Me dino respects your opinion and your service, but I'd rather go Galt than hang around Calicrazies with their homeless feces stinking up the streets.
        You can't fix stupid when stupid is screaming "racist" in your face or coming at you behind a mask and splitting your head with a bike lock like some lib college professor of all people did to a Trump supporter.
        Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
        • Posted by NealS 5 years, 8 months ago
          Me too, I ran rather than fought (in California that is, not in the other place). My point is that eventually we'll lose the whole country. Other places like Germany, perhaps even Australia will be first to go, especially if their governments, their leaders, and their media refuse to report the facts. We'll be dead, it really won't matter to us, therefor we still run. The younger generations will just have to figure it out for themselves.

          My wife and I had our hearts broken the other day. We went up to see the kids and on their counter was a ballot for the local election. It was folded such that I could actually see our daughter-in-law had inked in for Senate the "D". My wife said don't touch it, don't say anything. I didn't, but it really hurt.
          Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
          • Posted by $ allosaur 5 years, 8 months ago
            I have 4 brothers and one is a Dem. It's amazing how the free flow of conversation becomes stifled when the lib is around such as during family reunions.
            My most conservative of brothers lives just 30 minutes away on the other side of Birmingham while the lib lives in Delaware
            and the others in Tennessee and North Carolina.
            I'm related to libs up north or retired in Florida.
            Last time I saw any was during the last century.
            That's okay.
            My nearby Bama brother introduced me to Ayn Rand with a gift of AS DVDs. I've read the book since.
            Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
            • Posted by RevJay4 5 years, 8 months ago
              Okay, I'll pile on. My daughter lives on the left coast in Seattle. She is a total progressive, ultra apparently.
              I've been blocked from her FB and email msgs are short and seldom.
              The saving grace is my son who lives 90mi north of Seatte, and is staunch conservative.
              Sort of a balance. Oh well.
              Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
              • Posted by $ allosaur 5 years, 8 months ago
                Parents went through the same thing during the American Revolution, the Civil War and the Vietnam War.
                No, I'm not trying to be funny about Vietnam. I was born in 1947.
                Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                • Posted by RevJay4 5 years, 8 months ago
                  Thanks for the perspective look, allosaur. I guess I was just feeling sorry for myself. Yes, I remember the mess of the Nam era. I was in Navy at the time and did experience a bit of uneasiness when out and about. Feels similar, actually. Hmmmm.
                  Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                  • Posted by $ allosaur 5 years, 8 months ago
                    I was against the war but surrendered to temporary slavery when drafted.
                    It was the end of the month when they took Marines from that last busload. Me dino was among a tiny group of five. Unbelievable!
                    Toward the end of surviving the brutality of Parris Island (Full Metal Jacket movie got that right), I found out my MOS was a supply clerk. Never got out of the Carolinas.
                    I shortened my two years by two months with something called a "school cut." Used the GI Bill to go to college. Take that, Uncle Sam! Bwahaha!
                    Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                    • Posted by RevJay4 5 years, 8 months ago
                      Nam wasn't even a blip on my radar when I enlisted in '61, with two buddies to keep out of further difficulty in home town. We were havin' too much fun at the time. Sub huntin' off the east coast and reserve trainin' in PacNW. Mostly just the attitude of the townies to deal with once in a great while.
                      Thanks for your service, dino.
                      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                      • Posted by $ allosaur 5 years, 8 months ago
                        You're welcome. All I did was fill out requisitions for parts needed by a satellite reconnaissance squadron, kept paper files in order, had fun when they decided to train me to also drive an deuce-and-a-half and I saved up a lot of money by mostly staying on base to watch a lot of movies for 25 cents a pop.
                        Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
              • Posted by $ 5 years, 8 months ago
                She is not alone, I have lived in Oregon for 22 years and Washington 15 years before that and the Liberal disease and "free stuff" is a result of the education establishments lack of education of children, so they never learn to ask the hard questions like "how will you pay for this?", until they are in their 50's and see half their paycheck gone in taxes.
                Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by mminnick 5 years, 9 months ago
    In order to send in help to Chicago several things must occur.
    1. He must be asked by either the mayor or Governor
    2. In lieu of that Trum must declare Martial Law
    Or
    The city and citizens of Chacago must be in open revolt )armed restance) to/agaist the Government.
    None of these are likely to occur.'Raises a second question. what tyoe of assistance would he send. Enough cash is already sent there. Thus it would be people. What type of people - the military? violates multiple laws and precedent. The Dems screamed when he wanted to send the NG to the border to assist ICE think about the screams in this case.
    Almost no other federal arm has the necessary manpower and firepower to assist Chicago.
    Unless and until the citizens of Chicago take a firm grip on themselves and their neighborhoods. nothing will change.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
    • Posted by $ 5 years, 9 months ago
      Exactly mminnick, in fact they have a huge budget crisis because of the good deal retirement program. One might think they are engineering a disaster to force the Feds to give them a boatload of money to fix "the human suffering", which is all their own fault. They will have to take responsibility for themselves, or go extinct. That is their own responsibility.
      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 8 months ago
    Actually, there was never a better example of what happens when an incapable lib takes over.It has now beaten out Detroit as such an example. When will the people wake up? Probably never. Sad. Mostly for the children growing up in such an environment..
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by jimslag 5 years, 8 months ago
    The political machine in Chicago and Illinois in general is corrupt and has been for decades if not at least a century. I say, let it rot like Detroit and many other liberal Democratic cities. Detroit used to be a Gem, a beautiful city with low crime and low unemployment. Then liberal Democrats took over and we have the greatest blowup of a city since Vesuvius took out Pompeii. I had relatives that used to live in Chicago. I am old enough that most of my relatives have passed away or got sense and moved many years ago. If I go that way, I do everything I can to avoid going through Chicago. I have a friend that lives close by but he travels a lot for his job and is not there very often. I keep telling him to get out of there but his kids are there and he stays and keeps paying into the political machine.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by Dobrien 5 years, 9 months ago
    I am with you Nickursis , the murderous gang/slaves and the "liberal" controllers who enslave them with vote for food. Promoting the
    Deflating self esteem with victim mentalities instead of Victor mentalities.
    Vote out the losing philosophy of collectivism
    Or suffer the consequences.
    Recognize identity politics is no plan for advancement.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by rtpetrick 5 years, 8 months ago
    I agree with nickursis. The voters of Chicago made their bed, so now they should sleep in it. No way should President Trump provide help (aka, money...aka our money) to solve a problem none of us created. Let whichever Illinois governor who in not serving hard time call out the State Police or his militia....or give the murderers time and they will solve the issue without our help.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by NealS 5 years, 8 months ago
    Trump help in Chicago? Absolutely not, the left will fight everything he attempts and make it much worse than it is. Then they will blame him for the whole issue from the day it started a long long time ago.

    Trump's best action to actually help Chicago is to Tweet that all the leaders in the State can only make things worse, that's what they do. Perhaps challenge the people to demand that their leaders do something constructive or perhaps vote for and elect someone that will.

    We just have to accept the fact that dems, libs, lefties, just honestly don't care about much other than themselves. They are more interested in taking Trump down than actually doing anything to save this country.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by walkabout 5 years, 8 months ago
    It is not "gun violence" it is violence with guns perpetrated by certain individuals. Stopping the violence will require eliminating those individuals (either through terminating them or incarceration). Effective incarceration will require some changes in the law that would allow certain such individuals to be held completely incommunicado. Reinstating the death penalty might be stip one.
    It is hard to believe that Emanuel is so incompetent, thus , one must ask if certain "leaders" within the Chicago government do not want the problem solved either being "on the take" or are genicidal thus, they allow the under world to run the city. Such should be learnable through a thorough Federal investigation -- the City could then be taken over by special masters of the federal courts and run like a real city and not like a third world country headed by a war lord. The corrupt city fathers could be held incommunicado along with the serial murders and violence pedlars.
    Step two would be to encourage citizens to conceal and open carry and relax the laws to more easily allow self protection. It is obvious the police are not up to the task (and maybe should not be asked to do that at the neighborhood level). Someone pulls out a gun on the street to attack a child, the return fire should be so instantaneous and horrific that not even the stupidest gang banger would carry, let alone use a gun.
    Finally the education system needs to be purged of union teachers. People who know how to do things and to teach replace them to teach the citizens of Chicago how to be successful (see Walter William; Thomas Sowell) that is the tenants of Christianity and the concept of Capitalism.
    A final comment on Rahm's notice that the murder rate is down slightly. Maybe that is because anyone who can leave is or has left the city and state. If Chicago becomes small enough the number of murders WILL decline.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by mccannon01 5 years, 8 months ago
    Hmmmm, maybe the Democrats that are in charge of the city can contact Nancy Pelosi to cut a deal with MS-13 to come in and clean up the place. Oh wait...
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by KRUEG 5 years, 8 months ago
    A "WALL" We who live outside of the shity and crook county need to be protected. Let Darwin lead the way: "SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST".
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by DrZarkov99 5 years, 8 months ago
    I have to laugh when Democrat politicians claim the problem is all the surrounding states that have fewer gun control laws. When I ask them why those more liberated states don't have higher crime rates, all I hear is crickets.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
    • Posted by freedomforall 5 years, 8 months ago
      Why do you rob banks? Because that's where the money is.
      There are more drug addicts concentrated in CA so there are more criminals dealing drugs and who compete using firearms illegally. Maybe they find it easier to buy their guns from individuals who have them legally in surrounding states.
      But the problem isn't the gun laws in surrounding states. It's the criminals in CA.
      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by $ blarman 5 years, 8 months ago
    Agree that the violence shouldn't be tolerated. Disagree that Trump should offer federal money or assets. What he should offer is a change in leadership. Chicago has been a Democrat stronghold of corruption since its founding. The only way that city is going to improve is if they adopt real morals and oust the Democrats for good - and that's not going to happen in the near future.

    PS - did you know Eric Holder was positing a run for POTUS? https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/28/politi... Yeah - this is the same guy who should be serving time for Fast and Furious and was held in Contempt of Congress.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
    • Posted by term2 5 years, 8 months ago
      No more entitled places for governmental offices. Come to think of it, no more entitled whites or Hispanics either Obama filled the place with entitled blackd
      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by freedomforall 5 years, 9 months ago
    I agree with you, nick. According to the bio, the author of the editorial has never held a real job. He has been sucking on the government teat his entire career. His brother was in the wrong place at the wrong time and that was his choice.
    Transferring money from successful people in other states who have succeeded because they are not living in a failed socialist city is nothing but S-T-U-P-I-D. Just what I would expect from a looter. Big government will not solve Chicago's problems. Only Chicago can solve them, and to do so they must give up socialism and destroy the political machine. That will not happen without a revolution or a collapse of the city.
    Trump should try to make sure that not a dime is wasted on socialist federal programs doomed to fail in Chicago. The sooner the city collapses the better. They are doing everything they can to destroy themselves; let them.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
    • Posted by $ 5 years, 9 months ago
      Agreed. I do not see the Trump Admin doing anything except maybe sending a few tweets like "Chicago: Vote them out and fix yourselves". Anything else would be against his established ethics.
      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by mia767ca 5 years, 8 months ago
    it's like what the Fed has done to our money supply...and the politicians have done to govt...it's what people want...and it is the tyranny of democracy or the rule of the majority...you and I will suffer to support the idiots...

    and then it will all collapse and local thugs will rule...there will be a few spots of enlightened self-rule...find them and prepare...
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  

FORMATTING HELP

  • Comment hidden. Undo