Democrats recent treatment of children.

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In March of 1993, The United States Supreme Court issued a ruling in Reno v Flores. (Yes, “That” Reno. Janet Reno, Bill Clinton’s first Attorney General who ordered that young Elian Gonzalez be torn from his family’s arms while hiding in a Miami closet. You might remember the iconic photograph.)

The Court in Reno v Flores decided that minors could not be incarcerated with the adults accompanying them across the United States border illegally. The decision was the result of a long dispute in how to best care for these children while the adults were detained for criminal proceedings.

As a result, The Flores case drew a line in the sand. Children could not be incarcerated with their parents or accompanying adult while being held for illegal immigration violations. And a subsequent 1997 agreement stipulated that children must be placed in a safer environment where they could enjoy certain privileges, including education, a clean, safe environment and other normal life cycle amenities that incarcerated individuals do not enjoy.

It was considered a “victory” for human rights. By separating adult and child, we protected the children, reducing any harm done to them for their parent’s or accompanying adult’s decisions

Many recent fake news stories show photos from 2014 when complaining about the undocumented illegal alien childrens care under Trump admin.
SOURCE URL: http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2014/06/05/leaked-images-reveal-children-warehoused-in-crowded-us-cells-border-patrol-overwhelmed/


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  • Posted by coaldigger 1 month ago
    I want to see pictures of these children as they arrive at the border. Are they in good health? Are they clean? Have they been abused? Are they undernourished? What is their level of education relative to their age? Are they with parents? Is their proof? Are these children safer now without their irresponsible parents, than when they were being dragged across Mexico, riding on top of railroad cars or packed in vans?

    We need immigrants as workers, as a means of correcting our age demographics and maintaining a vibrant society. I am indifferent as to their color, religious beliefs or politics as long as their wellbeing depends on assimilation. I am leery of Islamic extremism like everyone else but neither do I like extreme views from other sects. I was born and raised in a coal mining town where the company sent recruiters all over the world to get workers. We had Russians, Italians, Poles, Slavs, Hispanics and many blacks from the south. Everyone had their beliefs, traditions and a bias for their own people but everyone ultimately wanted to be an American and to be just like everyone else. Not everyone was treated the same and there were problems but they never got out of control and got noticeably better over time.

    Criminals and terrorists are unwelcome but people that want to be here should have a way of coming here and making a new life for themselves. Our immigration laws are politicized mélanges that have been polluted over time by all parties and they need to be fixed. Every immigrant has difficulty with these laws and can get on the wrong side of a law and be deported. College students, workers that temporarily lose their employment, family members that visit and can't bear to go back are not criminals. Our do-nothing, polarized politicians need to fix this or it will continue to get worse. People need to be able to apply to come to the US, be given a reasonable time table and have an orderly process of entry. All the media wants to do is fan the flames to get more clicks or their equivalent.
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    • Posted by  $  4 weeks, 1 day ago
      Thanks Coaldigger,
      Very concise examination of the problem. I would only disagree with the statement that "All the media wants to do is fan the flames"
      The MSM wants to take down the sitting POTUS
      Who is a threat to their masters in the deep state.
      The worst devious dishonest fake news.

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      ABC – Cecilia Vega
      ABC - David Muir
      ABC – Diane Sawyer
      ABC – George Stephanoplous
      ABC – Jon Karl
      ABC – Liz Kreutz
      AP – Julie Pace
      AP – Ken Thomas
      AP – Lisa Lerer
      AURN – April Ryan
      Bloomberg – Jennifer Epstein
      Bloomberg – John Heillman
      Bloomberg/MSNBC – Jonathan Alter
      Bloomberg – Mark Halperin
      Buzzfeed – Ben Smith
      Buzzfeed – Ruby Cramer
      CBS – Gayle King
      CBS – John Dickerson
      CBS – Norah O'Donnell
      CBS – Steve Chagaris
      CBS – Vicki Gordon
      CNBC – John Harwood
      CNN – Brianna Keilar
      CNN – Dan Merica
      CNN – David Chailan
      CNN – Erin Burnett
      CNN – Gloria Borger
      CNN – Jake Tapper
      CNN – Jeff Zeleny
      CNN - Jeff Zucker
      CNN – John Berman
      CNN – Kate Bouldan
      CNN – Maria Cardona
      CNN – Mark Preston
      CNN – Sam Feist
      Daily Beast – Jackie Kucinich
      GPG – Mike Feldman
      HuffPo – Amanda Terkel
      HuffPo – Arianna Huffington
      HuffPo – Sam Stein
      HuffPo – Whitney Snyder
      LAT – Evan Handler
      LAT – Mike Memoli
      McClatchy – Anita Kumar
      MORE – Betsy Fisher Martin
      MSNBC – Alex Seitz-Wald
      MSNBC – Alex Wagner
      MSNBC – Andrea Mitchell
      MSNBC - Beth Fouhy
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      MSNBC – Joe Scarborough
      MSNBC – Mika Brzezinski
      MSNBC – Phil Griffin
      MSNBC – Rachel Maddow
      MSNBC – Rachel Racusen
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      National Journal – Emily Schultheis
      NBC – Chuck Todd
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      New Yorker – David Remnick
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      NPR – Mike Oreskes
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      NYT – Jonathan Martin
      NYT – Maggie Haberman
      NYT – Pat Healey
      PBS – Charlie Rose
      People – Sandra Sobieraj Westfall
      Politico – Annie Karni
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      Politico – Kenneth Vogel
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      Reuters – Amanda Becker
      Tina Brown – Tina Brown
      The Hill – Amie Parnes
      Univision – Maria-Elena Salinas
      Vice – Alyssa Mastramonoco
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      Can IG disclose evidence in pending criminal cases in public disclosures/reports?
      Why not?
      Grand jury TAINT/BIAS?
      Everyone has an opinion.
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      • Posted by coaldigger 4 weeks, 1 day ago
        I say "fan the flames" because I do not believe in the grand conspiracy of the Left. Individuals want POWER and if they can only take what is vacant that is what they will go for. In our system of representative democracy it is easiest for politicians to be populists so the model to get elected is to find out what the people "feel" that they want. Clinton used to take opinion polls on everything and whatever the result was, that is what he was for. The right moved to the center, so the left moved further left. Crazy man Trump pretends to be a populist and pounds on the trivia of the hot issues while he slyly does some very interesting things. Showmanship is his special talent and he is using it to his greatest advantage.
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        • Posted by  $  nickursis 4 weeks, 1 day ago
          CD, you may be right, it is hard to tell anything when everything is ran behind layers and layers of obfuscation. The political monsters hide behind more layers than most shell companies and tax evaders set up. However, the sheer amount of corruption and conspiracy points to a well organized effort with a LOT of money behind it (money for people, buses, protests, riots, false flag operations, instigators and agitators). There are numerous cases where people have been documented as "paid to riot", where people were "bused in" (do you recall how many kids were bused in for the anti gun rally?) Mom and dad did not pay for that. So, then, where does all the money come from? a secret GoFundme? No, there is a "grand conspiracy of the left" and has been for the last 80-100 years. Go back and look at the steady creep of "progressive agenda items" for those 100 years, and how it has crossed many presidents, congresses, leaders, businees interests. A whole herd of people are betting on a one world government, as well as numerous things today (like a Mexican President saying today it is "their right" to come to America) pushing the weak parts like borders, voting and citizenship. All these are simple to fix, if the fix can be made (did you notice that Congress cannot even pass a basic law to say "stay out"?) Lots of people professing to be Republicans are the RINO variety (like McCain) who are pushing this agenda and working for it. There is a reason 89 people tied to the Clintons have been mysteriously found to have "committed suicide". Go look up Meena Ark, and their connection, and realize how drugs and money and destabilization are all tools to make this country decay, and then make it move to the Liberal vision of total control and subservience to the future one world government.
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          • Posted by  $  4 weeks, 1 day ago
            Nickursis, I agree totally with you.
            I wonder how many people need to collaborate
            In criminal activities
            for most in the gulch to believe in a conspiracy?
            You know like the top people in the DOJ and the FBI conspiring and acting together to take down a duly elected
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            • Posted by  $  nickursis 4 weeks, 1 day ago
              I cannot believe, just after the revelations that ARE out in the open, the fact the "dismissed" IG report revealed 13 Obama top officials had G mail accounts (including Obama) and he outright lied in 2015 (I do not have any email accounts or use any). Yet, when it was revealed in 2011 or 12 that Pelosis stooge who "cooked" everything and lied to get Obama Care passed, people still did not care or demand her impeachment and trial for her criminal acts, and she gets re-elected. Is Q Anon real? It all depends on whether you believe that the clues he gives point to the things you KNOW they have done, but no one has prosecuted or proven openly. How much faith can you have, when the political system has been SO corrupt the last 80-100 years? I have seen enough "facts" (the Sessions letters to Congress, the way the IG report played out) to believe that it is real and will happen. But other people sometimes need a lot more facts before they will make the leap of faith.
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              • Posted by  $  4 weeks, 1 day ago
                They will get the facts. The corrupt never thought they would have to cover their tracks.
                The house cleaning is done the pain is here .
                The left will pay $ to incite riots and the rhetoric is turning violent with the nazi cries from the virtue signalers.
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  • Posted by  $  blarman 1 month ago
    The major flaw in the Reno v Flores decision (and should we be surprised given the fact that it was the Ninth Circuit not the Supreme Court) is that they failed to acknowledge the fact that the children are also guilty of illegally crossing the borders if they come with their parents! The children should have been incarcerated - and separated from the adults - until their cases were heard and either the entire family was sent back (the normal judgment) or the entire family was granted asylum. Just because they were children at the time doesn't grant them carte blanche immunity from prosecution!
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    • Posted by term2 4 weeks, 1 day ago
      If we returned them to Mexico it would be Mexico’s priblem
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      • Posted by  $  blarman 4 weeks, 1 day ago
        And Mexico's immigration laws are way stricter than the ones here in the US. If we had the same zero tolerance policy Mexico has, you can bet Mexico would stop encouraging people - especially those from bordering nations - to pass through Mexico on their way to the US.
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        • Posted by term2 4 weeks ago
          Mexico doesnt care about stopping people from coming into mexico on their way to the USA, since it wont be their problem. We should just return illegal entries to the other side of the border, PERIOD. Let mexico stop them from coming into mexico in the first place.
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        • Posted by  $  4 weeks, 1 day ago
          Current Mexican candidates all are for allowing the pipeline of human trafficking from Central America , it is almost a state of war through invasion.
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    • Posted by  $  4 weeks, 1 day ago
      Many children are trafficked or are indoctrinated young into MS-13 , totally different from a babe on a mothers hip and that image is false Too most of the time.
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  • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 1 month ago
    2008 – The Wilberforce Act
    2016 – The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals

    https://www.theblaze.com/video/timeli...

    And last but not least...the video's you see on TV are from 2014 and let's also not forget that when 10's of thousands of unaccompanied children were dropped off at the border and Democraps didn't Care!...sounds Psychopathic Narcissistic to me...
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    • Posted by term2 4 weeks ago
      This country is going down the tubes. I almost wonder if we should just open the borders and let the country fail faster and then rebuilt
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      • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 4 weeks ago
        Problem is, The Whole World is goin down the tubes...I say, go down the tubes in your own country! It ain't no better here!
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        • Posted by term2 4 weeks ago
          yeah, I think you are right. Makes me want to drop off the grid and hide out in plain sight in a really remote location (hmm. that WAS the idea behind the gulch...)
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          • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 4 weeks ago
            I think we all getting urge here at the Gulch. It's getting a little too much to take.
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            • Posted by term2 4 weeks ago
              I am thinking that there is no possibility of an actual gulch in this age of the NSA, the loss of privacy, the invasions and the powers of current government.

              The closest we can come to that, especially if we are older, is to hide in plain sight, as they say. We got a taste of how bad things can get with nazi germany. Today, the government would be a lot more controlling and vicious. We got a reprieve with Trump for a few years and should enjoy it, but whether its 2020 or 2024 when the socialists take over again, things will continue down the path of collectivism.

              I do think that the USA was really unique and the result of a perfect storm of individualism that is definitely not present today. Too bad.

              But, I am going to enjoy the freedoms we have now, although I wouldnt want to bring a child into the world and have to endure what is to come.
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              • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 4 weeks ago
                I still think, as I wrote in 2010/12, is to Stop doing business with them , although my thoughts were on the upper creatures in this meme, I now think we could just not respond to the MSM, no texts, not tweets and not a hint of acknowledgement on fascist book...But How can we get that kind of cooperation?
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                • Posted by term2 4 weeks ago
                  I would say that the leftists would rather that we ignore them and not argue. I would agree as to not doing voluntary business with leftists.
                  But they control so much of the economy it’s nearly impossible for them NOT TO BENEFIT FROM ANYTHING WE DO. Even John halt would have had to pay them sales, payroll, and income taxes. He was portrayed as living a very spartan life- so he didn’t support the leftists like most us do today

                  We are required thru involuntary taxation on nearly everything to support the leftists
                  almost constantly

                  We can vote still, but the majority in this mob rule world believe in collectivism
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                  • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 4 weeks ago
                    You may be correct and it is probably much to late to punish them with non involvement and boycotts.

                    But I do think that by not getting caught up in their arguments, not listening would at least minimize them and perhaps the market would have to respond..."no one is talking about your story, your opinion...no one is aware that you exist therefore...Your Fired!
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                    • Posted by term2 4 weeks ago
                      I think they would assume and claim everyone is in agreement with them if there was no dissent. Anonymous voting is a good way to voice dissent. That’s what happened with trump

                      During the weeks leading up to the 2016 election whenever I would casually show support for something trump said , the response was usually to look around to see if anyone was listening and then quietly agree with me

                      I had a strong feeling he was going to win from that experience, and he did. I used to say “in the quiet of the voting booth, people tend to do what makes sense to them”. Hillary was an evil witch deep down, and a lot of people just “knew it “ and voted her down as happened twice before.

                      Trump brings out a lot of common sense which is what comes thru in the quietude of the private voting booth.

                      As long as we have anonymous voting, I think the approach of just ignoring these collectivists will work. The leftists still don’t know why they lost in 2016
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                      • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 4 weeks ago
                        Hmm...if no dissent then their must be agreement...so double down. You are probably right there.
                        Their egos do demand attention though, and that was where I was coming from.

                        The looking around to make sure no one was listening you observed, I think, was also part of the process with the Brexit vote too.
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                        • Posted by term2 3 weeks, 6 days ago
                          Your point about their egos feeding on attention is right on. Maybe that means addressing the issues but not acknowleging the leftist. opponent. I do remember in one of ayn rands novels. A collectivist asking what one of the hero characters thought of him- and the devastating answer was that he didn’t think of him

                          What seems to have really disturbed the leftists was that half the country just ignored the propaganda and anonymously voted for trump and brexit in the quiet of the voting booth

                          I have thought people just were tired of government intrusions, were looking for more common sense solutions, and thought Hillary was an evil and vicious bitch covered by a thin veneer of handler-inspired smiling face
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                          • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 3 weeks, 6 days ago
                            People are awakening...those away from the propaganda centers anyway. It's hopeless in the cities though. I suggest we do away with them...to much of a liability. They are not protective, instead, they are places we need protection from.
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                            • Posted by term2 3 weeks, 5 days ago
                              I think we should encourage the hatred of trump and obstruction from Democrats. This will help to turn people away from the Democrats. They don’t love smerica
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                              • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 3 weeks, 5 days ago
                                I agree, Term2
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                                • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 3 weeks, 5 days ago
                                  I was just listening to a show that was discussing our present level of attention to the news...today, it is as time consuming as following your favorite team; whereas, prior to 9/11 and by comparison, we were not all that engaged in the issues, the news nor the media; They could never pull off what they do today prior to 9/11. (back to my "Not doing business with them idea).

                                  Today it's over the top, we are divided and distracted by it.
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  • Posted by  $  25n56il4 1 month ago
    In the photos being shown a good number of those don't appear to be 'children'. Young adults would be more correct. And, these are only a few of what is probably the truth. Where is Mexico's responsibility to these children? What about the other countries they come from? Why is it the U. S. responsibility?
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  • Posted by mia767ca 3 weeks, 6 days ago
    the dems do not want to be confused with facts...neither does the main media...it is only about politics...and getting re-elected and a populace that has been dumbed down and only taught to be loyal subjects...

    but the collapse will come...reality bits back...be prepared...
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  • Posted by  $  Stormi 4 weeks, 1 day ago
    Oh yes, the hard as nails horrible Reno, Clinton kept picking gHhIllary types. I hated how that turned out, that little boy used by politicians. How can Dems say they are so concerned about children, when they regularly support abortion of nearly full term babies! They support MS-13 over legal citizens, resulting in many deaths of children. They just seem to support any agenda which screws over legal immigrantsor other citizens.
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