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  • Posted by Dobrien 5 years, 9 months ago
    The great one told it like it was, all the way back to the POS Roosevelt kissing Stalins ass.
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    • Posted by Lucky 5 years, 9 months ago
      Churchill thought that while cooperation with Stalin was necessary he did not trust him, but FDR did.
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      • Posted by MinorLiberator 5 years, 9 months ago
        I’m somewhat of an expert on Churchill, read all of his speeches,

        https://www.amazon.com/Churchill-Spea...

        And am near completion of his incredibly detailed 6 volume history of WWII (and received an actually deserved Nobel Prize for Literature), and you are 💯 correct.

        He treated Stalin in public statements very positively, (as IMO Trump did correctly with Putin) but in private, secret communications fully understood the butcher “Uncle Joe” was, and knew he would be a postwar enemy. FDR did not, but died, but not before making bad deals.

        Churchill OTOH lived a long time, and in an early post war speech at a US University speech coined the term “The Iron Curtain”.

        And very little known was virulently anti-Bolshevik, and in 1917 led a British effort to help the White Russians with war materiel and anything short of using troops.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 5 years, 9 months ago
          Also read the History of WW II (all six volumes) and what was revealed in there was amazing to me. Yes, it's absolutely true that the US support of Great Britain was key to the war, but further it was Great Britain's support of Stalin that enabled the Russians to hold on as long as they did - at great expense to Great Britain's war effort and merchant navy. Definitely a worthy read.
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          • Posted by MinorLiberator 5 years, 9 months ago
            True. No argument. But for a long time even before Lend-Lease was approved, Britain was totally alone and nearly defenceless. If Hitler hadn’t made on his many tactical blunders by trying to bomb Britain into submission or at least a separate peace, he possibly could have successfully invaded, low unlikely. And even after Hitler blundered again by attackingvl Russia, and Pearl Harbor, the logistics of the eventual D-Day were such that keeping pressure on the Eastern Front was critical. So supplying Stalin IMO was the right choice.

            But in any case, a great read.
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            • Posted by $ blarman 5 years, 9 months ago
              As Churchill explained, however, it was France who was key. When they folded in their diplomatic arrangements and followed England's lead following the Great War in the various treaties, they doomed themselves. Both Britain and France were first focused entirely on reparations (which Churchill opposed knowing they would engender more bad feelings) and then curiously they began to reverse course and appease nearly everything in the various treaty renegotiations leading up to Germany's invasion of Poland. What is also interesting is that up nearly until the invasion of Poland, Italy opposed Germany's intentions and Russia was Germany's ally in the invasion of Finland. Italy reversed course and sided with the Nazis when they were supported in their claims of dominance over Algiers, Tunisia, and most of North Africa, while Stalin and Russia were at least tacitly non-belligerent toward the Nazis until Hitler's failure to invade Britain forced him to look East for more land to conquer.

              If you want a great primer on political machinations, the first book talking about the various agreements, treaties, and political decisions made between WW I and WW II is hard to beat.
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              • Posted by MinorLiberator 5 years, 9 months ago
                Absolutely agree. Without "The Gathering Storm" the rest makes no sense. With it, it does.The switching allegiances, the appeasements, which "royals" were married to foreign royals...etc. were all so "European" (of the Continental variety). At least THAT ended...we could discuss this forever...

                Reality is SO fascinating, isn't it?
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                • Posted by $ blarman 5 years, 9 months ago
                  Studying WWII is one of my favorite hobbies because it encompasses so much. And I love watching the Hollywood movies about the era as well, and not just "The Longest Day" or "Tora, Tora, Tora" (to which there simply is no comparison with "Pearl Harbor").

                  To get back to Churchill and the "European-ness" of the War, I think it is also one of the reasons George Washington and our Founding Fathers advised against getting involved heavily in foreign affairs - because we would get dragged into these kinds of conflicts. Of course, given the scope of WW II it's pretty hard to imagine us not getting dragged in at some point - with or without the attack on Pearl Harbor.
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                  • Posted by MinorLiberator 5 years, 9 months ago
                    Briefly (if possible for me) in his “never surrender” speech, I believe the end was something to the effect of, if all seemed lost, “until the New World comes to save the Old.” I’m sure much more profound , but eReader not handy...

                    “Another round, lassie”...🍺🍺🍺

                    Sláinte!!!
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                    • Posted by MinorLiberator 5 years, 9 months ago
                      BTW: I also discovered the novels of Leon Uris in my teens...Mila 18 first...about the Warsaw ghetto, and, IMO, where Israel was really born, and the Jewish people finally lost their destructive biblical belief that they were doomed to be forever victims...although too many still adhere to that POV, and worse, the Leftist Jews who also hate Israel...😡

                      I thought Uris must be simply a great modern Jewish novelist...and came “Trinity”, totally explaining the Irish “troubles” with his usual historical accuracy...

                      And finally, although out of print, found a paperback copy in the ((Carnegie) library system here in Ontario of “Battle Cry”, his first novel, semi-autobiographical of his experience as a 19 year old Marine recruit, best description of the true heroic effort required to get through Marine “boot camp”, and eventually to fighting at Guadalcanal.

                      Not a happy book, but an eye opener...

                      So, my repeatedly read authors, in order: AR, Mises, Uris...
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      • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 9 months ago
        FDR was, up until Hillary Clinton, the most treasonous person to hold high office in the USA. He knew about the Japanese plan to bomb Pearl Harbor, but instead of destroying the Japanese planes (which we were capable of) he let Pearl Harbor happen so that America would go to war in a patriotic fervor in order to dig his buddy, Winnie out of a defeat to Germany 3,000 lives lost, plus entering the war, which got us out of a Depression faster that all the make-work projects he could conjure up.
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        • Posted by freedomforall 5 years, 9 months ago
          All true, and then there was the repeat on 9-11-01. Just long enough so almost everyone who was an adult in Dec '41 was dead or so old that no one would ever listen to their wisdom about history repeating itself.
          My grandfather told me about FDR's murderous treason when I was about 10 years old.
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          • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 9 months ago
            I wish I knew your grandfather. Sounds like my kind of guy. FDR was so lauded and treated reverentially that they put him, on the dime. Probably also because of the March of Dimes promotion to end polio which was the disease that crippled him.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 5 years, 9 months ago
    It's about time somebody had the guts to say all this.

    Though to be fair, there is no way we could have controlled eastern Europe after 1945 without fighting another war as big as the one just ended. We didn't take most of those countries away from the Nazis: the Soviets did.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 5 years, 9 months ago
      I agree, jdg.
      The Brits helped save the Russians. The Yanks helped save the Brits. The Russians kept the Nazis busy on the Eastern front so the Allies could land and create the Western front - which in turn forced the Nazis to concentrate forces there and the Russians took advantage on the Eastern front.
      It took all of the Allies to defeat the Axis, and the Russians get some of the credit, too.
      Turning against our Allies would not have been wise politically in 1945, and the Democrats then were somewhat more astute than the Democrats today.
      It is my fervent hope that the Democrats and statist GOP pols (and their corrupt friends) figuratively slit their own wrists, the US Constitution is strictly observed, and liberty and free markets are again the rule, not the exception in America, but there is a lot of socialist wreckage that must be repaired.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 5 years, 9 months ago
    Mark Levin nailed it. The Dimm's and the mainstream media are blind to their own history. They ignore all of it. They are all in the moment of their own overwrought hysterical Trump derangement syndrome. Deny world history at their peril. But, again citizens of this country should have some awareness of the rising Socialist movement that it could be a threat to freedom in this country.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 5 years, 9 months ago
    We always watch Fox, but I do check out the mainstream to see what they are doing, as long as I can stomach it! Yes, we saw Levine o Hannity, fantastic! Levine always does his homework. He had Shelby Steele on his own show, and that was good as well, Steele showed how liberals an Obama were hurting blacks.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 5 years, 9 months ago
    I never watch Fox (or CNN).
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    • Posted by dougthorburn 5 years, 9 months ago
      Fox has at least a dozen libertarians, and perhaps as many as 20. Hannity is a conservative, but a great investigative reporter. Behr (I think?) is a terrific newscaster, whatever his views, as is Harris Faulkner. Gutfeld is hillarious, as is Watters. Well worth watching.
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    • Posted by GaryL 5 years, 9 months ago
      Actually Mike, It's a good idea to watch a little of both FOX and CNN just to get a well rounded view of all the nit wits claiming to be journalists. Finish it off watching OAN and be sure to catch "The Daily Ledger".
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  • Posted by $ 5 years, 9 months ago
    I notice Christi has written a 'tell all' book. Hope it's not sour grapes. I kinda liked him. What the heck. Freedom of speech. I once told the guys at the Fortune 500 company I worked for that I was going to write a 'tell all' book. They advised me I could get more money if I didn't publish it. eeyou!
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