Having been a Boy Scout who earned my Eagle Scout and served as Scoutmaster, I don't have any problems with someone creating a group for girls with the same opportunities. If you can get girls to pay the money to go camping and work on merit badges - good for you.

That aside, you are missing out on the primary focus of Baden Powell's vision: how to train young men to be honorable fathers and leaders. The Boy Scouts organization was an inherently sexist organization because it crafted its vision to the fact that the needs of young men and young women are different. They are different psychologically, physiologically, emotionally, and all other ways. That's simple fact. (I will also mention that I'm the father of nine girls, so I speak from loads of experience). Did my girls go camping? Yup - every summer. Do they work on projects and activities geared around helping them develop positive qualities? Absolutely. But they aren't trying to learn to be men.

Wait until they have a pregnant 14 yr old.

I was a Boy Scout many years ago, and have supported Scouting ever since - until now. I sent them a letter saying I will no longer support them
In these days of political correctness, it is not surprising that organizations like the Scouts, that used to promote the ideals of God, Country, and the Scout Oath. are under great pressure from the Left and the feminists to set these values aside and trade them in for “inclusiveness”. Frankly, it’s disgusting.
Just like white males in general have been targeted for destruction, so to are groups like the Scouts. What amazes me is how quickly the BSA leadership has caved. Knowing the male culture of scouting at the troop level, I find it difficult to believe that the the changes announced are supported by the rank and file. I’m also surprised that there has not been a general revolt by Scout troops across the country. That’s the only real way to save Scouting as we have known it, but that does not appear to be likely. And without something like a revolt I must agree that the Boy Scouts Of America will very soon be assigned to the dustbin of history. And I also say good for the Mormons for taking a stand. Scout troop leaders everywhere should do the same.
So sad. Another great institution down the tubes.

Thanks! I'll check it out!

Waiting. Yawn!

P.S. Do read them in order.

It's a good movie, but not like the book. Good luck with Direct TV.

"Transfer of Power" is the first book. The original author of the series was Vince Flynn. He died a few years ago and Kyle Mills took over for him. The movie, "American Assassin" that allosaur referred to is made from a prequel book in the series. And it isn't like the book, but it's an entertaining movie. Read the books first. There are a bunch of them. Enjoy!

It looks like I may have some reading to do. I haven't read any Mitch Rapp or seen the movie "American Assassin" as mentioned by allosaur. Could you suggest which book I should start with?

Mormons supported them for 105 years. Scouts will be irrelevant way sooner than another 105 years. Scouts are based on male identity. This liberal idea of everyone following their own way and ignoring their groups is self-destructive. Institutions that suppress people wanting to do things outside their group, like girls doing boys things, allowed man to grow from small tribes into huge nations. Efforts to ignore basic biological group membership are bound to fail. It's just a question of how soon.

Now that you mention it, yep.
Thought I'd rent "American Assassin" via Netflix, but the DVD is supposed to lack subtitles (my hearing is impaired by tinnitus) and Netflix viewer critics say the flick is not like the book.
I've been waiting to catch it on Direct TV where I have everything captioned. .

Girls group changing too is fine - they should. Has anyone asked them to? Considering that there seems to be a downward trend in the number of people who want to do anything physical, my guess that a single "Scouts" group would probably suffice.

Jan

Good for you. I love the Mitch Rapp books. Doesn't Gina Haspel remind you of Irene Kennedy?

Me dino is into my third Mitch Rapp novel. Lately about every time I see my brother Joe of Hoover (a major satellite city of Birmingham) he hands me another one of those.
I often pass on what paperbacks Joe gives me to brother Steve of Delaware lumped together as a Christmas gift.

Can you start a new group?
Is there a big enough market for it?
Why is it up to the boys group to change for you? Why are you not asking the girls group to change for you, too?

Huh?!!!

"The test should be: if you can't stand and piss on a tree trunk, you can't be a Boy Scout"

As I have pointed out before, the arguments presented here in the Gulch against girls in the Scouts are reminiscent of the same hackneyed arguments that were rolled out against women in professions, education, military, firefighting, etc

Argument against coeducation (https://www.catholicity.com/mccloskey...)
“What is at the heart of the continuing social decline? What has spawned such high levels of contraception, divorce, child abuse, promiscuity, abortion, homosexual behavior, substance abuse, violent crime, pornography and a general degradation in what refers to the arts? … The secularist ideology of the Enlightenment, with its concepts of the inevitability of progress, the goodness of human nature in the primitive state, equality of condition as the goal of morality, etc., and its philosophical offspring in the works of Freud, Marx, Darwin, and Mill, has been influential in shaping the moral behavior of society. And, quite simply, men no longer seek and obey the natural law. The natural law, among many other postulates, leads the rational man to acknowledge the radical differences that exist between men and women and to take those differences into account in the functioning of society.”

“… I believe that coeducation has been and continues to be a serious mistake because it generally ignores the radical differences between men and women in their biology, physiology, psychology, and in their proper roles in contemporary society and the family. I believe that these differences are good, that they are part of God's plan for the human race, and that by tampering with them over the course of decades we have brought the present state of society upon ourselves.”

Argument against women physicians http://beckerexhibits.wustl.edu/mowih...
“As a male physician wrote in 1867, “The opposition of medical men (to woman doctors) arises because this movement outrages all their enlightened estimate of what a woman should be. It shocks their refined appreciation of woman to see her follow a profession with repulsive details at every step.” “

I do not want to be part of a plan where I am taught how to push cloves into a lemon whilst boys are taught how to make a campfire. Equal but separate means unequal.

Jan

Thank you! Yes, it was hard work for both of us! :-) But I am very proud of him.

Indeed. A very dangerous precedent.

Very well said!
Some day women will wonder where all the men have gone, and they only have themselves to blame.
Add Mitch Rapp to Hank Rearden and John Galt.

Muslims are exempt. They make their own laws which the Swedish community will faithfully adapt shortly, including Sharia law

I think you hit the nail right on the head, Suzanne43. The left's feminization and subjugation of the American heterosexual male requires the systematic destruction of anything that may offer him a sense of pride, completeness, or autonomy as a man. Hank Reardens and John Galts are not to be allowed.

Somehow I don't believe the Swedish Islamic community will be buying into that tripe. Of course, followers of Mohammad are given a pass by the left to practice freely as they wish.

The Libs don't care about girls being in the boy scouts. They just want someway to get rid of this organization because it is male. And they are doing just that. It was their aim all along.
My son loved scouting and so did my husband who received The Order of the Arrow.
So very sad.

Laws on how people can use words. People think using words. Therefore, laws on how people should think.

That is already the law in Sweden. New terms have been introduced for "male" and "female" with several subcategories in between. The term man or woman must not be used any more.