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A question on politics

Posted by coaldigger 4 years ago to Politics
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How is it that a political party that espouses any, if not in fact all of the positions outlined below be regaining favor and likely to return to power in the next election?
1. You owe everything you have accomplished to those that have gone before and paved the way, so you have done nothing.
2. If you aren’t given free birth control or do not use it and become pregnant, just kill it.
3. The state should provide you with all essentials for life: food, clothing, shelter, transportation, medical care and whatever else you consider necessary.
4. You do not need to protect yourself, family or property because it is the states’ job and you can’t be trusted have any weapon because you might use it in some forbidden way such as posing a threat to the state or any person therein.
5. You must attend government schools to learn all the rules, the history and reason for the rules and the proper thoughts required to accept the rules.
6. The rules are relative and have no basis in law but can be changed at any time to adjust to political situations.
7. Anyone from anywhere should be able to come here, share in all of our benefits even if they can contribute nothing and may even be an enemy.
8. We have offended other countries in the past by being more successful, therefore we should apologize to them and make rules to reduce us to their level, which is only fair.
9. Thoughts that are not approved are evil, forbidden and expressing them deserves punishment.
10. Minorities are oppressed by the fact that they are fewer and therefore less powerful so the rules must be made to be in their favor so we will all be equal.
11. Goods must be produced to fill the needs of the people but no one should profit from doing so.
12. Everyone that does anything must do so in service to the state and any resistance to this requirement must be quashed.


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  • Posted by $ Stormi 4 years ago
    This collectivism did not happen overnight. It has been promoted by the UN and government schools for over wo decades, and that was full force,. Clinton put in a curriculum which made sure parents knew tey were not smart enough to raise their children. The students were told thyeir parents wre not with the times and computers. They began brainwashing them against capitalism, guns, God, individualism, real science, all the things Rand predicted, some Dostoevsky even said would happen. Kids could only function as part of peer groups, not as a self, an I. Textbooks rewrote history toward collectivism good, capitalism bad. Exhausted parents whose kids did not respect them, gave up, the kids bought into the entitlement teachers preached. they were told they were all "the best" and deserved huge salaries the economy could not support, or else they should not work at all, so they didn't All they while Hillary and her Village and the UN and Agenda 21 worked the media, pushing this whole agenda. And that is how we got here, now what do we do?
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 4 years ago
    It's not and any likely hood in the future is low....but if per chance they pull off the greatest scam of all time?...it's time to leave this earth.
    It has become Bizarro's world and not Superman's.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 4 years ago
    Isn't it interesting that the left wants all kinds of new laws but they hate the police that will enforce them? Just exactly how is that supposed to work?
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  • Posted by term2 4 years ago
    Because collectivism is the order of the day- "stronger together" as Hillary used to say. They mistakenly think that they can simply take from the people who produce ad infinitum. What they dont consider is that the productive people might just decide to no longer support the system, and just withdraw (as in Atlas Shrugged). It doesnt happen overnight, but slowly and surely people like me will just work less and spend less and just enjoy life without being on the socialist treadmill. We as a group spend too much on things we dont really need anyway.
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    • Posted by 4 years ago
      I made the partial list above because it is absurd to believe that adopting those policies could work. The opposite is true and the further towards the opposite, the better the result. Greed and lust for power does not explain this. It is a death wish for the entire species and a fate worse than death on the path to its fruition.
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      • Posted by term2 4 years ago
        I am beginning to think the collectivist policies are not expected to actually work, but are just promoted for other innamed purposes- probably emotional
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        • Posted by Solver 4 years ago
          +2

          In many ways it is a battle between emotion and reason.
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          • Posted by term2 4 years ago
            emotion just seems to happen, and its easy. reason takes actual thinking which is definitely harder
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            • Posted by Solver 4 years ago
              Emotion is much easier than reason. Being irresponsible is much easier than being responsible. Destroying is much easier than building. Kicking your dog is much easier than buying it food and feeding it.
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              • Posted by term2 4 years ago
                So maybe that’s the driving force behind the seemingly unstoppable slide to collectivism in the world today. As society becomes wealthier, it’s more tolerant of irresponsibility. Straight up reality is unforgiving if someone is irresponsible. Go out in the cold irresponsibly unprepared and you simply die. Maybe economic collapse as in AS is the only solution to convince people to not be irresponsible. Kind of a scary thought
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  • Posted by Solver 4 years ago
    Politics, where need is rewarded as a virtue and ability is punished as a vice, is collectively feel good easy, as opposed to thinking rationally, being the best you can be and respecting individual rights. Being responsibly ethical is hard for a mere cog of a collective.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 4 years ago
    You forgot one: The state has the right to determine how much of your personal wealth you deserve to keep, and distribute the rest to those who haven't contributed.

    These tenets used to be cleverly hidden in carefully crafted propaganda. What appalls me know is that the proponents of these provisions no longer make any attempt to hide their proposals, and a gullible electorate seems to find nothing wrong with them.
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  • Posted by GaryL 4 years ago
    The Main Stream Media and the educational branches of our government controlled schools where a vast majority of teachers and professors are full blown liberal thinking fools. Blacks and Latinos are supposed to be democrats simply based upon their colors. White children who have either a conservative or religious background are admonished.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 4 years ago
    Just this morning my coworker and I were discussing how American men all seem to have lowering testosterone. I only semi-jokingly suggest that is a factor.
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  • Posted by edweaver 4 years ago
    The answer to your question lies in your 5th point above. It is what people have been taught for decades.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 4 years ago
      No one can follow all the rules of the feds today. It's impossible.
      That is the purpose of the rules.

      "Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against—then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it.
      You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted—and you create a nation of law-breakers—and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."
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      • Posted by term2 4 years ago
        So true, and it bothers me that if we dont spend our time opposing collectivism, they just take over. Better for us to take advantage of the freedoms we have to pursue our OWN lives. I have stopped watching and listening to even FOX news.

        The final straw was that They are pandering too more to leftists with their squeaky- voiced trophy newcaster women, and getting rid of the male figures that made the network big in the first place.
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    • Posted by 4 years ago
      I could imagine some mind warping experience could cause someone on this planet, somewhere to believe one, related position on that list. That there are millions that accept them all is incomprehensible. Every human being has a mind and despite some being more efficient in processing data than others, a total white-out just seems strange.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 4 years ago
        When you are faced with a situation you cannot understand, look for the financial interest.
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        • Posted by 4 years ago
          I have read many of your comments and view you as someone that is a deep and rational thinker. I think that a financial interest explains the situation but doesn't help to understand it.
          Each of us has one short span of existence, most will not leave a trace of ever having been here and some will leave a mark that will last for a long time. The amount of wealth a person accumulates is meaningless compared to living to the fullest and maximizing our enjoyment of life. It matters little what we accomplished or leave undone as long as the process provides enjoyment. Relationships with each other, production of goods and services, art, music, literature, all the things that use the mind that makes us unique among the species is where satisfaction is found. Wealth is just the accumulation of a symbol for production that be exchanged for the production of others, hoarding it makes no sense. When all goes dark, the time spent stealing it from others will be nothing but time wasted.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 4 years ago
            I sometimes erroneously expect others to think as I do. Sometimes people just don't have the same priorities, consider the same things important, and think about longer term effects. Sometimes its as simple as: Follow the money.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 4 years ago
    Because half the voters are misguided for indoctrinated don't know crap about history and The Constitution jerks.
    Me dino just watched as much as I could stand (boring so I didn't bring it) video about (gets away with it because it's not 1955) Bolshevik Bernie versus (gets away with it because he's a MeToo Dem) Groper Joe Biden during a 2020 primary.
    Just imagine the shorted-out brain cell count for listening to them debate. .
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 4 years ago
    It goes back further than that. One fundamental error was made by Jefferson: he founded the University of Virginia. Not, of course, with the inten-
    tion that these things should come to pass, but by putting government in charge of education. And it is rather sickening to hear people speak so fervently, and reverently, in favor of public education, even when they do not like the kind of public education that is being practiced nowadays. Just mention abolishing it, and listen to the cries of horror. But it is time to start advocating just that--abolition.
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  • Posted by BCRinFremont 4 years ago
    As it is stated on the Ministry of Truth great white pyramid, “War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength.” Sad to say, but most people are afraid and just want to be a member of the pack, no matter who is in charge or what is being proposed.
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  • Posted by upston 4 years ago
    Your 12 points explain the collectivists very well. The question for us is where is the opposition to this poison. Certainly not the GOP. The left has infiltrated all aspects of life in the last 100 years, schools, courts, news, politicians. What is the path back ?? I have a 55ft sail boat with solar and a water maker, what's your plan, The end is nigh.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 4 years ago
    I think collectivist behaviors are natural for humankind. The politics and parties are just vehicles to express these natural urges. We often think of natural things as being good, but clearly that's not always true, esp in the natural collectivist impulse. Most people here say there are dueling philosophies of individualism vs. collectivism. I think it's more like the dueling natural impulse to consume excessive carbs and sugar vs the knowledge that I'll get more value in the long run by limiting my intake.

    Asking how collectivist elements found their way into society invites empty political answers. The question is how we managed to overcome them and how we can get back on that path of individualism.
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    • Posted by 4 years ago
      I think that we have been brainwashed that self sacrifice is the ultimate value and that makes us behave in the collective like sheep. We are just waiting it out and serving our masters until we can collect our reward in Heaven. Meanwhile the wise ones are reaping all the rewards produced by the sheep while they are still on earth.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 4 years ago
        "we have been brainwashed"
        Changing this from passive to active voice, it would read "someone has brainwashed us". I agree with everything else in your post about humans serving their master like sheep and waiting for a supernatural reward. But I don't think the default state was reason and someone brainwashed people. I think the collective sheep mentality is the default state for humankind. Maybe it had some selective advantages of allowing people to work as groups beyond their clan. I'm not sure about the cause, but I think it's the default state. With the industrial revolution, the value people could produce wasn't limited by arable land. People made huge leaps forward in respecting individual rights. A pre-industrial person would struggle to understand the average modern person talking having a right to change jobs, study for a different job, move wherever she feels like, without feeling obligations to god, kings, family, etc. Our society is far from perfect because of human frailties. Saying people are brainwashed implies they would naturally be consummate rational individuals if it weren't for someone skillfully manipulating them. It overlooks how far people have come.

        I see humankind as having cast off a lot of brainwashing. We've come so far but have so far yet to go.
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