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Hank and Dagny didn't design this bridge

Posted by $ jbrenner 6 years, 1 month ago to News
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I was just down at Florida International University in early October for Nanoflorida 2017. My university, Florida Tech, is hosting Nanoflorida 2018 on October 5-7. I drove right where the bridge collapsed, but it wasn't constructed at that point. .... Doesn't it remind you of Atlas Shrugged?
SOURCE URL: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/miami-pedestrian-bridge-collapses-trapping-unknown-number-people-n857011


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  • Posted by scojohnson 6 years, 1 month ago
    It's quite dangerous to build a bridge over the top of an active freeway, and unlike rural areas - urban areas don't really have anywhere to divert traffic to, around, etc. Obviously, people are working up there - and something might fall on a car below.

    If you have 40,000 cars per hour going by, you can't divert it through the parking lot adjacent.

    That being said, these things require enormous hardware to be put in place at the attachment points to the abutments on either side- .. I have no idea if the case, but CalTrans sent back tons (literally) of bolts made in China destined for the Oakland Bay Bridge that were tested prior to use and did not meet design specification.

    Another common problem in public works - the concrete suppliers will try and ship loads of non-spec concrete. Interstates require ultra high performance concrete for example that has enormous compressive strength, doesn't crack, reinforced by steel fibers, etc.. however it's very expensive. CalTrans will test each truck being delivered for example, and sometimes as many as half are sent back because lower grade non-compaction stuff was shipped. This isn't an "oops", it's an attempt at ripping off the taxpayer. You can see it when it "gets through" because the semi-truck lane will be chewed up - as the weight of the big rigs rips the top layer up and water, dry, cold, hot, and compression breaks it loose in pieces like a delimitation.

    My bet / my two-cents.. Florida engineers didn't test the materials ahead of time, didn't test the hardware, and something failed.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 6 years, 1 month ago
    this is right where we live...plus my wife's best girlfriend's grandson was the first one killed at Parkland...almost afraid to get out of bed in the morning...
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
      That reminds me of the time in AS3 when Galt is discussing with other producers in someone's house around a fireplace about Galt going back into the world. Someone said it was too dangerous to go back out there.
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      • Posted by mia767ca 6 years, 1 month ago
        I thought our generation (i'm 70) would be safe from the violence that would come from a deterioration of society...guessed wrong...a big reset is coming...they are pushing to take away guns...the 300 million guns will not be surrendered without a fight..
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  • Posted by dukem 6 years, 1 month ago
    Since I know nothing about the contractual arrangements for this project, I will jump in with my opinion (civil engineer, contractor, bridge design and construction experience, if that even matters). I'm also an experienced curmudgeon.
    It will come down to who has the best lawyers to shift the responsibility to the other party to the contract. It appears this was a design/build project (I have no information on that, which makes it easy to state), which is a combination of the above. The goal is to find the party who made the most mistakes (they are always made, in one form or the other), and attempt to get that party to pay the considerable costs of this venture. It's likely the private contractor will go bankrupt, and emerge again in some other form, and the public entity will continue on and change some of the wording of future contracts. There will be lots of courtroom drama if it gets that far, considerable backroom negotiations, and we will find out that each party had some responsibility, and life (for those who survived) will go on.
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  • Posted by lloydwr53 6 years, 1 month ago
    Remind me of Atlas Shrugged??? You've got to be kidding, my wife and I get reminded of Atlas Shrugged at least once a week or more. We feel barraged by foolish incompetence in all walks of American life. Most of it doesn't end up killing people though.

    We call it the Ayn Rand effect. Not because she is a causative factor but because she identified the problem. Perhaps someone out there has a more appropriate name.

    In any case we are very glad not to live in either California or Florida.
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  • Posted by chad 6 years, 1 month ago
    Too many unknowns at this point and speculation is probably the only thing less reliable than eyewitness accounts. With current laws and lawyer types it will be certain to that the most effort will be put toward how the blame can be shifted from reality to those with the least political favor and most money. It is always tragic when someone loses their life unexpectedly on what would seem an ordinary journey. The best way to prevent this is to discover the reality of the failure and adapt methods accordingly.
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  • Posted by ycandrea 6 years, 1 month ago
    Yes! I find many correlations of today with Atlas Shrugged. Like NASA: Same as the State Science Institute. Government- run and paid for. Will do whatever the gov’t wants, and the government /deep state want to control the masses. NASA does not publish facts. They make up numbers and statistics to provide the government what they want, especially where Climate Change/Global Warming is concerned.
    Scientists and Climate Change/Man-made Global Worming: The same as Dr. Stadler, a government funded scientist working at a government funded organization. Some of the scientists of today who tout Global Warming/Climate Change do so only because they are told to not because it is fact. They use non- absolute terms like “consensus” so they won’t have to actually lie or take responsibility. They say what they are told to say or funding is cut off. If any non-government-funded scientist disagrees he is ostracized, and we are told he/she is not a real scientist and what he says cannot be taken seriously.
    Snowflakes/Millennials: The same as that poor kid at Reardon’s Steel Mill, The Wet Nurse. He also was the victim of a terrible educational system and another tragic representative of the costs of that system. He was so confused and wanted to do right. Reardon became his hero and, sadly, he died protecting his hero.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 6 years, 1 month ago
    Obviously not. (They didn't design that bridge, I mean).
    That it was being subjected to a stress test means that the people doing it were uncertain that it was safe. In which case, why the h__l didn't they warn people away, and warn them not to be under the place it was being tested?!
    I could call those people in charge idiots, but that would be an insult to the intelligence of mentally retarded people.
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  • Posted by exceller 6 years, 1 month ago
    "Accelerated Bridge Construction" - it does not have a good ring to it. Your common sense defenses go up immediately hearing this. Obviously, many things can be built in an "accelerated" way but when building a bridge speed is not the first quality measure that matters.
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