An AR-15 Ain't No Assault Rifle, Y'all

Posted by $ allosaur 6 years, 1 month ago to Politics
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Even a so-called dumb Alabama redneck kin tell a libtard, "No, thet thar AR on ther side of an AR-15 rifle don't stand fer no diddly-squat "assault rifle." So quit a-sayin' sech stupid shee-it. Thet thar "AR" means ArmaLite Rifle, yuh dumb as a brick son of a bird-brained pecker-wood!"
A semiautomatic rifle can't be classified as an assault rifle because it can only shoot one time per trigger pull.
Now one of those bumper stocks can convert a semiautomatic into a hand-held machine gun. being a full automatic the essence of an assault weapon.
But here in The Gulch me dino is preaching to the choir. Whoa, whoa, whoa! That's just a "so to speak," y'all. So don't all yuh atheists go git yer panties in a wad.
Explain what I just wrote ter some whack-job lib and I'll bet a dollar ter a doughnut thet he/she/it or whutever fits will just turn right around and jabber on about AR-15s being assault weapons.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 6 years, 1 month ago
    A note about "bump stocks" - no serious marksman uses one because they throw off your aim. Even trained military members use the three-round burst setting - not full automatic - the vast majority of the time. Why? Fully automatic is a "spray and pray" method more conducive to area suppression than actually inflicting casualties or fatalities. In a real firefight, the best way to get killed is to run out of ammo.

    Bump stocks are a toy, but their effects can also be mimicked by looping your thumb through a beltloop. Yup. The debate on bump stocks is even more ridiculous than the one on pistol grips (which help some people with real "gun control") or any of the other fancy attachments you can use on a standard Picatinny rail.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
      A M16 did had yet to acquire a 3-round burst setting when me dino was drafted during 1969. The fire selector switch was either semi or full automatic. But training taught me that, when assigned to lay suppression fire (as you described) to support the attack up a hill for a four-man fire team, you "tapped out" short bursts. Running up a hill with an empty M16 was useless to the rest of the fire team.
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      • Posted by BCRinFremont 6 years, 1 month ago
        I drew 32 in the '71 draft. Tricky Dick began pulling troops about then. In College, I met a lot of Vets over the next several years. I salute you, Allosaur!
        Keep "tapping out" those short bursts!
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        • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
          Once I put that nasty Parris Island behind me, I considered my next step of combat training to be a lot of fun that I fortunately never had to use for real. Had I been placed in the Army, that may have been a far different story.
          Marines were being pulled out of Nam by 1969. So lucky me missed that boat. I was a supply clerk who never got out of the Carolinas for my entire two years, well, minus two months for a "school cut" when I used the GI Bill to go to college.
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      • Posted by ScaryBlackRifle 6 years, 1 month ago
        You can tap out a bump fire stock. At 50 yards I can get 3 on a sheet of typing paper. My range banned them before I could get back to try it our again. Apparently the neighbors got scared.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 6 years, 1 month ago
    First, I love Trump and support him 100%
    Second, I love that Rick Scott and Trump disagree... We need this. 2 GREAT solutions that do not hinder the 2A to talk about. It's a great idea.
    Third, I like how Trump is offering to ban the Bump Stocks. KNOWING this does not deter from the 2A issue, and is a throw away to most of us.

    But, I want him to be careful, because he said he would make illegal ANY device that could make a weapon fully automatic. (This is already illegal, BTW. Just being in possession of a kit that converts a gun to Auto without a permit is the same as having an automatic weapon). MY Issue is that the LibTard judges will declare MACHINING equipment capable of such action, and start arresting conservatives for having things like a FILE, a saw, a piece of wood, a belt, etc.

    This is the first time we have a NON-Politician in the White House... And he has GAME!
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  • Posted by $ blarman 6 years, 1 month ago
    What is an "assault weapon"? Its anything you point at another person with intent to do injury. That's what "assault" is, and it applies to bricks and knives just as much as it applies to firearms. Even pointing an unloaded firearm at another person can get you convicted for assault.

    Stop worrying so much about the tool and more about the person using it!
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 1 month ago
    The bill says "a semiautomatic assault weapon". What does that even mean?

    It chaps my ass because I think it reveals the lawmakers' real intentions. It's not to disarm the citizens. It's to exploit people's differences. The phrase "semiautomatic assault weapon" is confusing. I can't think of an non-political reason to use that language in a bill.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
      That's a Jackass Party bill for ya. But you have to admit that's an improvement over Democrats and only Democrats passing the unaffordable Affordable Health Care Act to see what's in it.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 1 month ago
        " Democrats passing the unaffordable Affordable Health Care Act to see what's in it."
        Then it turns out to include market-oriented reforms that started in Republican think tanks. But it's all nonsense, so Republicans try to pass their own gov't healthcare bill without lawmakers reading it or debating it. When it fails, they dick with ACA in way that may lead to more socialism in medicine, although the outcome remains to me seen. I'm hopeful Amazon and other companies will bypass the whole thing and find ways to bring together buyers and producers of healthcare, obviating the whole government mess.
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        • Posted by ScaryBlackRifle 6 years, 1 month ago
          There are health care collectives already ... just a tiny fraction of the expense of the ACA. And the nuns don't have to get the abortion coverage if they don't want it.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 1 month ago
            "There are health care collectives already ... just a tiny fraction of the expense of the ACA"
            I know. I dropped my ACA-compliant plan starting this year. We are in a cost-sharing plan that has no formal contract but shields us from the penalty. I love it not for what it is but because it causes providers to grow a brain. No matter how high our deductible, providers used to tell us to ask our insurance. Now they understand we're bringing money in, and they use common sense. "Oh, you're using your own money? Really? Well then don't come back unless the problem comes back, and if it comes back in the same form within 12 months I can call in a prescription free of charge." Yes! We get better pricing than the so-callled negotiated rate through DeanCare.
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    • Posted by evlwhtguy 6 years, 1 month ago
      Is that kind of like the term "White Hispanic"?
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 1 month ago
        I don't know what the word Hispanic means. I don't know if it includes light-skinned people whose family has been in Mexico for generations and has a obvious Mexican accent. I don't know if it includes olive-skinned people from the southern Andalucian region of Spain? If so, does it include Basque people in the north? And if we include them, do we include people who speak Gascon in southern France?

        I don't know what "assault weapon" means either, so I guess it's a very good analogy: both things I don't get and maybe are just political nonsense.
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        • Posted by evlwhtguy 6 years, 1 month ago
          My point in using the term is that these people change words to suit their narrative. When Travon Martin was shot by a guy who was half Jewish and half Peruvian....both recognized minorities....the press called him a white Hispanic because as we all know only racist evil white people would hunt down and shoot an innocent black male.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 1 month ago
            I'm only vaguely following this, which I think is because you're describing something that makes no sense.
            Nam-----Nationality-----Ethnicity------------------Race
            TM-------US------------ - African American------African
            GZ-------US-------------- Jewish/Peruvian-------50% European 25% Indigenous to the Americas 25% African
            Just that chart shows how the world is becoming global and the racial, ethnic, national identities are getting blended up. It started with ship navigation methods, it go faster with jet travel, and with digital communication it's quickly becoming history.

            I actually don't understand if you're saying reporters wanted GZ to be guilty so they used race or if they wanted race to be the primary issue, so they used GZ.

            I don't get this stuff at all. I got it when I read Bartolomé de las Casas when I was learning Spanish back in college. Europeans figured out navigation. They would soon find a reliable way to calculated longitude. The world was changing. I get that we're living with the echos of all that. Maybe it's because I'm so introverted and because I've never experienced racism. I know it's still a huge problem. I sort of get it because where I live it's mostly people of German and Asian ancestry. But most people travel so much today that it's hard to understand.

            I'm not 100% sure, but I think this is stupid on the part of reporters who view it this way. Racism is a real and serious problem, but not every problem has a racial component.
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  • Posted by $ BLaramie 6 years, 1 month ago
    So, what is the purpose of the AR, other than to kill humans?
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    • Posted by evlwhtguy 6 years, 1 month ago
      Well that is the main purpose and that is why we need them. To protect our lives and property from the government. You may have forgotten....the founders who wrote the constitution overthrew by force of arms, the legitimate and legal British administration in the colonies. They sure as hell weren't going to allow only the government to have all the weapons.
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      • Posted by $ BLaramie 6 years, 1 month ago
        You've probably forgotten, but the reason for the 2nd Amendment was because our Founding Fathers did not want a standing army, rather leaving it to civilians to defend their homeland. Inda obviates the need for a civilian army given we now have nukes.
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        • Posted by evlwhtguy 6 years, 1 month ago
          They didn't want a standing army because it was a threat to individual freedom. Northern aggression in The Civil war actually proves that that they were correct in fearing such a standing army. The fact that the government has taken arms to an even higher level does not mean that the citizens do not have a right...[given by God mind you...not the constitution]...to be armed to protect themselves from that government.
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          • Posted by $ BLaramie 6 years, 1 month ago
            Don't agree with you about the founding fathers thinking a standing army was a threat to individual freedom. They were against the professional armies of dictators as being costly and dangerous. It really didn't have much to do with freedom to them. And while it may be just semantics to you, please do not refer to a God given right. The founding fathers were careful not to use God. These rights are endowed by "their Creator", which was a practical political concession not terribly in keeping with their thinking. This was a very big point to people like Jefferson and Adams, et al. They were increasingly looking to Nature, not a supernatural being, as the source for their philosophy. As a Randian, you should know better. Keep god out of it.
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            • Posted by evlwhtguy 6 years, 1 month ago
              Gee whiz, sorry if you get you nose out of joint if someone puts in the word god. That is what I call my creator...it does say creator in the document, you are correct...but to me that is what it is. Methinks you are a little sensitive about this?!

              But lets get to your response. You contradicted you own argument in your second sentence when you used the term dangerous. Yes, they were also thrifty and didn't want to pay. Hell they never paid the property owner at Valley forge the rent they owed. But the bottom line is that they didn't want to risk a despot having power over them...Because they just threw one off! I am sorry if you are willing to risk being a slave and have no means of ameliorating your plight....I do not.
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              • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
                OMG! Watch out how you write God around here.
                Some of the more uptight aethists must think they'll go "poof" into a dust cloud or maybe melt.
                Since my god ain't Apollo I capitalize my Creator with a big G.
                Uh, what did I just write? Aw, who cares? No, y'all, me dino ain't pushing religion.
                I'm just being my mean 'ole nasty dino me.
                Bwahaha!
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    • Posted by edweaver 6 years, 1 month ago
      Target practice. Quite fun to shoot. Also shooting varmints. Accurate without a shoulder breaking kick.
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      • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
        Me dino completely overlooked target practice. About three years ago at the range, my son was surprised when I could should a little better than he could with his own AR-15.
        I explained that had to NRA qualify with it as a corrections officer each year since around 1985. I retired two weeks after re-qualifying during 2003, but it was nice to learn I had not lost the knack.
        I also had a 9mm carbine modified to fit into the form of an AR-15 because I'm so used to the configuration. I'm allowed to shoot the carbine on the pistol range at the indoor range where I like to shoot.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 1 month ago
    I've about had it with the AR 15 thing. You can call it an assault rifle, you can call a mini-van a bus, you can call a John Deere a LeManse race car, You can call a trombone a clarinet. But as Willie the Shake said, "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet". A thing is what it is. Period. End of report.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
      Think you can tell by the way me dino cranked up this post that I've about had it too.
      Redneck farmers, coal miners, plumbers, even ditch diggers can tell you that an AR-15 "ain't no" assault rifle~but it seems lib college professors, politicians and other so-called elite intellectuals can only deal with feelings and not with facts.
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  • Posted by GaryL 6 years, 1 month ago
    Those who know nothing about guns should refrain from discussions about them. Ignorance clearly shows itself when these self appointed Gun Rights activists open their mouths. A .357 projectile out of the muzzle is every bit as dangerous and deadly as a .223 or .308 caliber. The number of successive rounds a gun can continually shoot has no bearing on the sick mentality of the killer behind the gun. We don't ban vehicles because drunk people might drive them.
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  • Posted by wiggys 6 years, 1 month ago
    the only assault that is taking place is the assault on the law abiding citizens who happen to own fire arms and those who are choosing to buy them.
    I thought it was interesting and tragic that there were 4 cops who choose to NOT go after the shooter in florida not one.. That in and of itself tells you why we need to own guns. The cops from what I have read and noted even in grand junction Colorado that the cops have basically entered someone's house and shot them when unarmed. they are evidently not afraid of the law abiding citizen but do not want to tangle with the bad guys who they are paid to stop etc.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
      This is half the reason of why me dino secretly carries a concealed pocket pistol in so-called "gun free zones" such as the credit union where I "bank."
      I'm always friendly with the armed security there. Me dino is always friendly with everybody.
      Trust everybody with my life? Nope, not me.
      Oh, the other half of the reason I conceal carry is because bad guys will likely first target cops and any armed security before my paid protectors get to consider the option of fight or flight.
      Some will chicken out. That's just the way it is.
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  • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Little Jeffery needs to be sent home to Alabama where he shall hopefully reside nowhere near me.
    I'll never vote for him for anything ever again.
    Same goes for craven career politician Richard Shelby. I've voted for him a few times (over Dems~not same party challengers) despite his showing me his conniving yellow streak when I was a reporter during the 70s.
    Things this coward said about the already defamed Roy Moore was the final straw.
    I'll vote for no one if I must to avoid voting for RINO Richard. .
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 6 years, 1 month ago
    I have an idea as legal gun owners we should start carrying bows and arrows ala Robin Hood and Crossbows. Can you imagine what the likes of CNN , MSNBC and others would make of that. Can you imagine how they would explain them. They would be stumbling all over themselves: Crossbows: semi-automatic arrow What!!!
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  • Posted by $ elfshelf2 6 years, 1 month ago
    Hey I don’t know if this will post, as I’m only a 40 year long self-reliant shrugger who is thoroughly enjoying semi-retirement, but if y’all think anything beyond basic 6 or so round hand guns and the equivalent capacity rifles are sufficiently fulfilling the second amendment, then I’m done being a lurker.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
      Come out, come out, wherever you are, and please expand on that.
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      • Posted by $ elfshelf2 6 years, 1 month ago
        Sure. Hiding in northern Adirondacks. All my buddies hunt, on my property too. They use one of my knolls as a parking area. Nary a one slings a military multi-shot rifle. Me, well I don’t hunt and I don’t have a gun.
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        • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
          All that is fine. What exactly do you mean by "if y'all think anything beyond basic 6 or so round hand guns and the equivalent capacity rifles are sufficiently fulfilling the second amendment, then I'm done being a lurker."--?
          You began whatever you're trying to say with "I don't know if this will post--"
          Don't worry. Once I lost my temper here and threw a keyboard fit. Instead of kicking me off the board, the higher ups just wiped clean what I wrote.
          And we even have that Obama-voting Circuit Guy still around.
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  • Posted by KevinSchwinkendorf 6 years, 1 month ago
    Back 30-40 years ago, the gun control crowd used the term "Saturday Night Special" to describe any handgun they didn't like. They didn't get enough traction to actually do much of anything, so their propaganda turned to "Assault Rifle" to describe semi-automatic rifles. The other term they use is "weapon of war" or "used only on the battlefield to kill people." Well, back in the late 1800s, the bolt-action repeating rifle was used as the main battle rifle on the battlefield, so I guess that makes Winchester Model 70s and Remington Model 700s "weapons of war" to be banned? I think that would mean war, and I don't mean a cold one. Back in 1898, we had a "small" war with Spain. We won (we didn't "conquer" Spain, but we did end the last vestiges of the Spanish Empire by kicking them out of the Philippines and Cuba). But, our troops in Cuba (including TR's Rough Riders), armed with bolt-action Krag-Jorgensen rifles in .30-40 Krag, were outgunned by the Spanish, who had bolt-action Mausers. TR later (as President) advocated for upgrading our "battlefield weapons of war" from the Krag to what became the Springfield Model 1903, in .30-06. (There was a ".30-03" cartridge, which was soon improved to become the .30-06 we know today.)
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 1 month ago
      I've recently read that the Indians who wiped out Custer's command came with a lot of Henry and Spencer repeating rifles whereas Custer's soldiers used single-shot Springfields prone to jamming because of copper casings that expanded when the projectiles were fired became hard to extract for the reloading process.
      So I guess it's no bull that Sitting Bull assault rifles won that battle.
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