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The sun is growing colder

Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 8 months ago to Science
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Hmmm.. some people have been suggesting this is coming, and yet, even when science gives in and says "Well, OK" they have to put their "Climate Change" spam into it : “The cooling effect of a grand minimum is only a fraction of the warming effect caused by the increasing concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere,” a statement from the research team reads."


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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, they are just another scam allowed to propagate with the appropriate payments to the right people....
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks for the illustration of what we all face day to day, pure genius unleashed upon us all...
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  • Posted by $ pixelate 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I started getting these colorful flyers in the mail regarding sundry penny stocks (oil, gas, alternative energy, gold and silver derivatives, etc) about 12-15 years ago. Early on, I would read them then toss them. Then, about 10 years ago, I started keeping track of these stocks in a spreadsheet. No big revelation ... these stocks would uniformly fall into oblivion. Although I never bought into any of them, the colorful sales pitch flyers sure did make for an interesting read in the context of psychology related to motivation, being the "smart" investor, sharing a "vision" ... It's been years since I have received any of these flyers. They sure were a big deal for a while.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 7 years, 8 months ago
    I did the research ONE time, and found these facts.
    First the annual 0.01C increase they are talking about means in 100 years, 1C overall average higher temperatures. (Now they assume a non-linear ramping, which has not been experienced).

    But even funnier. When looking into the calculations used. The Margin of Error was: 0.1C

    That's right. The Margin of Error, on the calculations, due to the limited accuracy of any readings, is 10 TIMES the anticipated RESULT.

    In what scientific world does one speculate about numbers that are ONE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE below the MoE???? Any result significantly smaller than the MoE could be induced by changing the order of doing some of the operations!

    So, we have a WILD Cold Snap. Record setting cold weather. But that 0.01C ...
    THAT is going to COOK US. (but keep in mind it could be a -0.99 C drop and still be within the MoE)

    This is stuff we learned in like 6th or 7th grade. Clearly by 9th grade we could do this in our sleep. WTF is wrong with these people.

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    Funny story, in my Intro to Physics class, we were talking about spinning electrons around a super collider. And a young lady asked "How do they get the Electron to move around? Do they tie it to a string?" I have NEVER laughed so hard in my entire life. I bet she is a Climate Change believer today!
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 8 months ago
    Even IF there is a global warming trend in 50 years, I will be long dead by then and it wont affect me. In addition, if the sea levels rise a few feet, all one would have to do is use those 50 years to arrange to live on higher ground or in a safer place. Big Deal. I dont see why it makes sense to disrupt life NOW and give trillions to governments to attempt to alter the course of nature.
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  • Posted by Arminius 7 years, 8 months ago
    When the 3 degree drop occurs with the concomitant climate and economic effects we can burn progressives for heat.
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  • Posted by chad 7 years, 8 months ago
    As one scientist pointed out the gas that can trap heat and warm the planet more than any other and is far more prevalent than CO2 is water vapor. I think we should remove all the water vapor from the atmosphere and the planet, we could reduce global warming and keep burning fossil fuels. Problem solved.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 8 months ago
    The oceans are depleting! The climate is growing too hot (or cold) We're all gonna die! Lions and tigers and bears - oh my!
    The sky is falling and up until now, I wasn't aware it was comprised of acorns.--Chicken Little
    And so it goes. A new scare every year. When one is proven false, a new one pops up. My prediction: When and if a world -wide disaster occurs, mankind will cope with it and succeed in overcoming it until everything gets better.
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  • Posted by BCRinFremont 7 years, 8 months ago
    An excellent analysis of this topic is presented in “Unstoppable Global Warming : Every 1,500 years” by S. Fred Singer and Dennis T. Avery, 2007. Among other things, several sun and earth cycles cause climate changes, especially when in conjunction
    with one another: E.g, short and long term sun intensity cycles, earth axis cycles, and earth revolution cycles. When the sun is in a hot cycle and the earth is in a revolution placing it closer to the sun and the axis is tilted in a certain way, things heat up...and vica versa.
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  • Posted by wiggys 7 years, 8 months ago
    I expect in the next 32 years we will have at minimum 32 new theories relating to climatic changes that will potentially be destructive to the earth. chances are I will not be here for all of them, so I am enjoying each day as it is presented to me.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 7 years, 8 months ago
    Here's the straight dope: you can't finesse a socialistic solution to global cooling. Any reasonable person would conclude that when the cooling sets in, it's sauve qui peut. The collectivists have to sell the concept of global warming to have any excuse at all for demanding organization of all of humanity into a total collective.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 7 years, 8 months ago
    The Global Warming pack is desperately trying to deny that that the sun has anything to do with temperature variation. Of course it's been known for a long time that climate followed the 11 year cycle. William Herschel published a paper in 1801 indicating a correlation between wheat prices and the solar cycle. (Interestingly over the years Wikipedia has increasingly diminished that statement -- but you can still get online copies of his paper and see yourself).

    Big news on this subject was made by Professor V. Zharkova who's team has analyzed the underlying patterns and can apparently do a good job of predicting the intensity of solar cycles. This is the source of the prediction of a Maunder minimum in solar cycle 26.

    Interestingly if you backward from the Maunder minimum about 375 years you get a cold period that marked the end of the Medieval Warm Period and ended with the Black Death.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Penny stocks are manipulated to their death by insiders on Wall St who sell their shares to the public. It eliminates competition for their bigger clients and ultimately transfers ownership of new technology and the economic benefits from the inventors to them. It's a rigged game that everyone in the business of selling shares will deny.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 8 months ago
    The last Maunder Minimum correlated to the Age of Reason. It is an ill wind that blows no man good.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, I gave up the whole stock thing after playing the penny stocks in 1997-99 and riding the hydrogen power market up, then down.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, and although they aren't in the supermarket, don't forget Fortune, Money, Forbes, Businessweek, and Barron's for Wall Street disinformation to shear the honest investor of his savings.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The funniest thing in the whole article was when they say: Carbon has remained below 300ppm for 100's of thousands of years...Clear, unadulterated Bull Crap...infact, that's exactly were they got that information...from a bulls butt!
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My guess is they are missing the full impact of a Solar Minimum, or else they are just discounting the Maunder Minimum as a deviant. Your statement is indicative of the huge systemic function that all of the factors both cause and effect, which is why the simplistic "CO2 causes it" models just never seem to result in facts that match. They do not model the system correctly because they still do not understand the dynamics of the whole thing and half the possible inputs are still "fake science" in the mainstream camp.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You mean the racks of trash paper "news" (and I count Newsweek, the Enquirer, People and Cosmo all in one group of trash)....?
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Half of the so called study is based on a false manipulated temperature models projection of higher and higher temps the Michael Manns hockey stick graph. The Maunder Minimum is correctly and clearly described as a very cold period .The reduced irradiance will occur at the same time the historical records show a very large volcanic eruption or 2 during these minimums.
    Add cosmic rays and atmospheric compression.
    The planet is more vulnerable as far as humans are concerned because of our weakend shield As you know plasma events are suspect in the formation of water as oxygen races up to meet hydrogen in the ionosphere creating rivers of rain and serious if not epic floods. Indoor farming is what is needed and if the weather stays warm no harm no foul.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well of course we know the climate change we are entering into and it is not man. Watch the co2 levels drop in the next decade as the worlds bloom will be hampered by the increased cloud cover and the resultant cooler weather. Increased Cosmic rays due to a weakened Magnetisphere and volcanic eruptions and an increase in Arctic Ice all creating an albido effect like we have not experienced in our lifetime.
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